CVT Honda GXH50 & Comet torque converter?

A centrifugal clutch can only transfer so much torque before it starts to slip. The slippage is the clutch shoes moving past the clutch drum. This wears the clutch pads, and to a lesser extent, the clutch drum. You rev the engine to speed up, and the motor is putting out more torque. If the sprocket/gearing ratios are too high, the pads on the clutch cannot transfer enough of the torque through to the axle and the clutch slips.

A larger wheel, this reduces the overall engine to road speed ratio. Because the circumference is larger, the tire doesn't need to rotate as fast to maintain the same ground speed as a smaller tire. The engine is therefore running at slower RPMs to maintain the same ground speed.

The higher the gear ratio, the greater the acceleration, as there will be more torque available at the rear tire. (Discounting frictional losses, the result of RPM time Torque is the same at the engine, and at the rear axle, and at any point (gear or sprocket) in between. Low RPM equals High Torque, and vice versa.) Since a higher acceleration means that the bike gets up to speed faster, there will be less time that the clutch slips before getting up to speed. Less time spent slipping means less time grinding away at the clutch shoe pads and subsequently, less wear...

On the other hand, lowering the ratio, (increasing rear wheel diameter lowers the ratio) also lowers acceleration, which increases the amount of time spent slipping the clutch...

You have to make a conscious decision as to as to which factor has a higher priority for you - better acceleration and hill-climbing ability, or a greater top end speed. That way, you can come to the right compromise for your situation.
 
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Thanks for all the help.

I've made my own spreadsheet that does the same thing - see attached.

But what speed should I shoot for on the slow end? I like the "takeoff from standstill" one. The CVT kicks in at 2200 rpm. With the suggested jackshaft that means 4 mph. Is this slow enough for takeoff from standstill?

If the calculation results in 40 mph - what real speed can I expect on a flat road & 200 pound rider? 90% ? or more?

I probably need sprockets that can free wheel - so I don't have the pedals spinning or don't have to swing the dead engine when I want (have to) pedal?

Where do I get them?

Attached is a picture of the Delta Wolf I plan to build. This guy has an electric on it. Thats to easy!
 

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Let me reiterate, though. On a bike, 40+ MPH is fast, but manageable. On a three-wheel bike, it verges on the dangerous. You can lean into a turn on a bicycle. You can't lean a trike into a turn. It is much more susceptible to flipping when you turn, especially an emergency turn.
Nice tip! I would have figured a 3-wheeler would have more stability, but I didn't think about cornering. Thanks for the advice!
 
Thanks for another thorough explanation.

If the sprocket/gearing ratios are too high, the pads on the clutch cannot transfer enough of the torque through to the axle and the clutch slips.

Might I ask how high is considered too high?
 
according to Comet, you need to add gearing in the final drive so that the CVT can get out of the 'slip' mode (where the in and out pulley shives are not at the high end.) If you don't, the belt slips more, generating friction/heat, which degrades the belt and shortens its life. Also, as the belt wears, the power transfer efficiency goes down.

Peak torque on the GX50 is at about 5500 RPM. Determine your cruise speed (not the top speed) and add gearing so that at 5500 RPM engine speed (divided by .9) the rear wheel is spinning at the RPM needed to roll at a little less than your cruise speed.

Assuming a cruise of 25, a 26" rear wheel needs to spin at about 323 RPM. So, the total reduction between CVT and rear wheel is 18.9:1

at max HP, (7000 RPM,) the speed then would be approximately 32 MPH, and at max rpm (7500) the speed would be about 34 MPH.

at max torque, going up hill, the bike would be running at about 9 mph. It would just about climb the wall!
 
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