Lets get rid of the 3 piece crank permanently

Crazy question, why would it matter long or short if your not going to be peddling? Were talkin a motor kit for a bicycle! Seems to me you shouldn't be peddling.

Regardless of protest or publicly announcing your dislike things happen for one reason or another, Like I said it was an idea for making the kits more universal (thinking of the consumer), It didn't work out the way we would have liked it to.

Really I see no need for this thread to be honest, I listen to my customers and know issues when I see them. You obviously know where they came from and how to contact those people, That's not on a public internet forum that does positive things for the motor bike community and is here to help.

The only thing that CAN be done HAS been done WHEN it could be done.


The new kits and parts are coming.
 
Were talkin a motor kit for a bicycle! Seems to me you shouldn't be peddling.

With all due respect, particularly as a vendor, the above statement seems not only ridiculous but a form of self-serving denial.

This is a motorized bicycle forum, not a motorcycle site. As a vendor you should be supportive of that fact and like a doctor first do no harm.
The ability to pedal is not just a legal requirement in all 50 US states but if MBs are to remain legal and not overly regulated then the emphasis has to be MAB/ PAB, motor assisted bicycle/power assisted bicycle.

For you to fit your agenda to your product line does the MB movement more harm than good.
 
Crazy question, why would it matter long or short if your not going to be peddling? Were talkin a motor kit for a bicycle! Seems to me you shouldn't be peddling.

Some of us need to pedal because the law stipulates all sorts of requirements - that the engine not exceed 50cc and 200 Watts (the Honda is easily 1600 Watts output) and pedalling attracts less atention from police and thus pospones the fast approaching day when the Honda becomes totally illegal.

Regardless of protest or publicly announcing your dislike things happen for one reason or another, Like I said it was an idea for making the kits more universal (thinking of the consumer), It didn't work out the way we would have liked it to.

We know why this happened Biketec but I would have liked to have heard an honest answer - more along the lines of someone thinking 'great with a 3 piece we'll flog these kits to all the MTB owners even though they don't fit those bikes and make a killing and our tills will be rattling so fast we'll have even less time to think about our service provision'. Who thought about the obvious fact that the 4-stroke kits are meant to go on cruiser frames? Nobody it seems. This startlingly obvious fact was obscured by the vision of rattling tills.

Really I see no need for this thread to be honest, I listen to my customers and know issues when I see them. You obviously know where they came from and how to contact those people, That's not on a public internet forum that does positive things for the motor bike community and is here to help.

Really? I think this Forum has been really soft on the dunderhead suppliers who created these problems - crank problems, no-brainer cable-controlled chokes that take up room in the most critical part of the frame etc. If this Forum showed the teeth that it is capable of using to protect the unsuspecting consumer from the ignorance and greed of systemic incompetence from suppliers we'd have got together to make those suppliers so aware of their stupid decisions that their tills would be rusting from lack of use.

The only thing that CAN be done HAS been done WHEN it could be done. The new kits and parts are coming.

You mean what WAS done in ignorance and incompetence is slowly being undone. I don't mean to be unduly harsh here but I'm sick of the trouble that's been caused and it disappoints me to see that the supplier isn't big enough to apologise for the trouble and expense that's been caused to the consumers. It is a suppliers job to know the product and whoever was responsible for the disaster at B-E.Com needs to get off their chair and try building these kits so they can talk knowledgeably about the stuff they are selling. And before I go I'd like to say that the suppliers have been getting away far too lightly on MBc for the last 18 months to the point where it is beginning to read like a sickening suppliers brown-nosing club.
I'm glad I've finally said this because it was late coming - like B-Es last shipment!
 
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For me, the pedals, like my manhood, are purely ornamental.

...but I understand that other have use for them.....both of the things I mentioned.
 
I don't know the history of the crank in kits. I assume that with the addition of the pull start and the automatic clutch a need was created to include a way for the pedal to continue to work. I am also guessing that someone came up with putting a crank set in the kit. First with the single crank arm and then with the 3 piece setup.

I am glad "something" came with my kit. At least I don't have to go searching for something so that my motor works and my pedals work.

Relate this to the the motor mount "T thingy" I guess that it work and fills a need, but livefast has their improved mount and sick bike parts just came out with theirs. Both of which work better than the thing that comes in the kit. This holds true for the hardware kits, the replacement mufflers, the OCC kits. and the things that are made by "Creative Engineering"

I don't see this as being any different than all the stuff you can add to an ATV or car. K&N, Cragar, Dashmat all make great add ons for cars. Look at "Bike Products" and what they sell.

I would like to see more add on products being sold, how about a light kit powered by the white wire, 45 degree horizontal precision intake manifolds, chrome covers, chain tensioners, the clamshell sprocket attachment and exhaust kits.

SBP just breaks the ice with their product line.

Ford used to make a car and you could get it in any color, as long as it was black. Ford later came up with "mystic paint", which I just saw available at Checker Auto the other day.

I noticed if you go to one of the engine makers sites that they will sell the gas tank in a whole bunch of colors, all we can seem to get is black or chrome.

Back in the day I ordered my Ford Bronco from the factory, with the options I wanted, including black paint in AZ, which automatically meant I would have to wait. So I was willing th wait 6 weeks for it to be built and shipped from the factory and then have the dealer put on the custom rims and tires that we also picked.

Too the point it is good that the motors that need a wider crank come with one. I just want a place to buy a better option.

I still don't know if I put the crank on right and have yet to figure out which way a balaclava goes on.

So be happy and ride it.
 
Lordoflightaz, I don't know if you are new to this Forum but this thread comes under 4-strokes and we are NOT talking about 2-strokes here although we are talking about the 4-stroke suppliers who also supply 2-strokes. All that SBP stuff relates to 2-strokes and would be better posted on a thread in the 2-stroke section.
We aren't talking about add-ons either we are talking about how one supplier caused a lot of trouble and, for myself because I buy a lot of kits, a great deal of unnecessary expense because they got the manufacturer to change the standard crank that nearly everyone was happy with to a disgusting 3 piece that requires a lot of additional expense to fit on a cruiser. Cruisers are the bikes that 4-strokes require as a host but the supplier thought that with the 3 piece they could sell the kits to all the owners of unsuitable bikes and make a lot of money in the process. The suppliers assertion above that the motive was an altruistic one so that more people could enjoy the pleasure of their 4-stroke kits is not only dishonest but should be exposed for the guff & snash that it is. They soon realised that this move was a blunder and decided to try and change the cranks back but all this takes about 12 months and they have NEVER owned this bluder, taken responsibility for it or apologised to the market upon whom they inflicted additional expense and a lot of inconvenience. You need to know a bit about the history of the 4-stroke kit as well as the history of this Forum and how the biggest shifter kit ever known has been used to shift what was once a bona fide Forum of consumers helping other consumers to a Forum of suppliers all agreeing not to mention the unsavoury aspects of their market practices and brown-nosing each other. It's time for older members to speak up about this and to try and keep this Forum focussed on the consumer's interests and to let the suppliers know that the customer doesn't like being exploited and especially bull**itted to.
 
its the same crank on a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke

accessories are accessories there should be more in general

but I will shut up and let you continue your crusade to make half a (delete self censoring)
 
Howz about we all take a step back.....BE.com has acknowledged their new shipment is ALL 1 piece so that in itself sayes something.
 
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