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Marty, water molecules form as the result of covalent (shared electron orbital shells) bonds between two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. Due to the particularities of those bonds, the distance between the atomic cores in the molecule are sharply constrained, and the two hydrogen atoms interact with the oxygen atom to form a particular bond angle, with some range of motion.

It is that bond length/strength, and that bond angle, which together determine the resonant frequency of the bond. As it happens, it is a very short radio frequency. Applying the energy for electrolysis at that frequency targets the majority of the applied energy to the specific task of breaking those bonds, and the amount lost in causing thermal motion of the mass of the water is reduced. In effect, it increases the efficiency of the application, much as a laser beam more efficiently transmits light in a specified direction with much reduced "leakage". It does NOT lower the amount of energy necessary to breaking the bonds - that energy is determined by the physics of those atoms.

Overall, by more efficiently using the electric power input to disassociating those covalent bonds, it increases the efficiency of the use of the HHO as a fuel additive, because instead of getting back approzimately 70% (typical electrolytic cracker) of the energy as heat when you burn the HHO, you get back 90%+. It sounds complicated, but if you know fairly basicchemistry, it isn't.

Exactly the same type of frequency controlled application of electrical energy is used in a number of processes in the electronics industry, the petrochemical/plastics industry, and of late, in food processing. Oh yes, in the glass industry it is revolutionizing glass tempering.

I very strongly advise you - DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PRODUCE AND STORE ANY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HHO IN A PRESSURIZED SYSTEM - PERIOD!!!!

The probability of producing a catastrophic explosion from such an attempt approaches unity - the transition energy necessary to cause a single recombination event between one hydrogen atom and one oxygen atom (particularly in the monatomic state, which both gasses are unstable in the presence of themselves alone in) is so low that simple compression of the gas is sufficient to pass that threshhold. Once that process begins, it is absolutely unstoppable by ANY known means, and the effect is directly analogous to the neutron cascade in a fission bomb - one causes several more that multiply in a time frame of fentoseconds duration. And like that fission bomb, you WILL get heat and light in large quantity in an unbelievably short time - an explosion.

Please, as you love your life and your health, DO NOT ATTEMPT WHAT YOU ARE CONTEMPLATING!

i AM DEADLY SERIOUS.
 
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Why didn't you warn me sooner... I'm in a hospital bed typing to you with two missing hands and a pencil in my mouth. The CAPS are really hard for me to reach. Please be patient!

Just joking Simon... Very good advice tho. I'm struggling to grasp a little of what you said. Seems together, we know a lot on different ends of the concept. What I'm trying to say is that you get more HHO production out of the same anode and cathode at 40v 5amps then you would at 10v 10amps.

My idea would be to charge a whole bank of AA batteries, using a solar pannel and running the system off of the charged batteries (for free)! Rig 'em up high v low amps.
 
Only use AA cells if you REALLY want to get high voltage low amps. Otherwise I think several small lead acid batteries or large cell nicads would be a better choice.
If you're going to charge them with solar you'll want to balance the peak voltage of the solar array well with the full charge voltage of the batteries. This will probably involve stringing many small solar panels in series.
They don't make commercial solar charge controllers for anything over 24V as far as I've seen so make sure you don't boil your batteries to death. There's always the possibility that you won't be able to fully charge the battery bank depending on your limit for solar panel size. Maybe a few cents of grid electricity to charge the batts would make more sense? Brag that you have a plug-in hybrid? :)
 
That's where I'm commin from. Break down the packs into 24v units, charge them in 1/2 a day and reassemble into 72v or 96v packs to run the reactor!
 
Here are the probs w/our ht's(using HHO)

A) Not computer controlled to lean out the fuel mix. meaning anything you got into the carb off of the fuel cell would probably not even be noticed. People are running cars on this stuff sucessfully because the computer will lean out the gas. Okay, you might answer, easily solved, turn off your gas pepcock.

B) Being a 2strk how would you introduce oil w/HHO? Would you even need to, because HHO runs cooler and contains a little water vapor?

If I get some solid answers/solutions to these Q's, I'll be happy to give you my spin because I'm pretty sure I've got a way!

A)And as far as the car computers go, I have talked with many of mechanics who do these modifications to cars. And they they that the computers are the BIGGEST PROBLEM with hho. Seeing as how the ecu's are only designed for one fuel source.

Also, isn't the fuel to air ratio on a carburater adjustable.

B) I will not be working with a 2-stroke.
I will be working with a Honda gxh50
 
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Getting around the cars computer isn't too difficult. You just have to trick the sensors into telling the ECU what you want. Most kits and DIY HHO plans for cars simply use a Manifold Absolute Pressure tweaking device called a MAP Enhancer that is basically a potentiometer that limits how much voltage goes back to the ECU, fooling it into leaning out the mix because thats the info it thinks it's getting from the o2 sensor. Having your CEL thrown is almost unavoidable with these engine mods so you have to live the couple days before the OBD test without Hydroxy enhancement.

Machiasmort, If you're planning on charging your batteries that way you could probably get some wire harnesses and set them up so when you plug them into your solar charging station the batts will be wired for parallel 12v charging and wire the gas generator harness so all batteries are in series. Shouldn't be too hard and it would be a couple plugs at most instead of having to disconnect and rearrange everything daily.
 
In GM cars you could force the test buy finding a spot to do 60mph (for a mile) and letting your car glide down to about 25mph (foot off of the excell.).

That exactly what I would do to charge the cells! We're on the same page!

Turnning a dc motor will give you voltage but not enough to charge a battery bank like we are talking... You can't wire the motors in series to add volts like you can with batteries. Small DC motors will work fine to run an LED ect. Don't do what I did and hook one to a dremel and hold it in your hand. I accidently exceeded the rpms (blowing the motor to shreds). I got lucky and my hand was completely numb for @ 3 days. Part of the motor shell stuck into my cieling tile! Where glasses and use a vice if your going to experiment!
 
Turnning a dc motor will give you voltage but not enough to charge a battery bank like we are talking... You can't wire the motors in series to add volts like you can with batteries. Small DC motors will work fine to run an LED ect.

I don't know what you are talking about with dc motors being weak Machiasmort

Read page 7 and 8 of this forum I can easily create 200 watts at 12-15 volts
http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=17389&page=

I don't know about you but I think that that is alot more than LED power

In this thread someone gave me the equations needed to pickout a motor and how fast to spin it.

As far as the car computers go
Long story short they are not designed to run hho therefore you will never (in a fuel injected car) get the hho to operate as efficiently as possible unless you redesign a whole new ecu

HHO as a supplement to other motor fuels in ICE engines is a good idea. HHO by itself as the sole power source in the same (or any) engine is not going to fly - the energy needed to disassociate the water has to come from the fuel, but if the resulting HHO is your only fuel then entropy guarantees that you will not run that system very far. It doesn't matter how perfect your mechanical system is, if you are running an ICE engine to produce electricity which is then used to disassociate water molecules to be used as fuel in that same engine, you will be doing well to get 60% efficiency.

When coupled with hydrocarbon fuels, HHO does a number of things I've discussed previously, which result in a synergistic effect that improves overall fuel economy markedly. By itself, it ain't going to fly.

I don't know what you are refering to when you say "ICE engine"

I also don't understand why you say that hho can never be a soul source of fuel on account gasoline is needed to break it down. I beleive that that is what you are trying to say.
If that is what you are saying then I just wanted to let you know that hho HAS been the soul source of fuel in more than one car.
And that gasoline is not need but only electricity which can come efficently from hho. Did you watch the vids on the first post. It was done in the 80's. This is old news.
 
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