SBP shift kit design ripped off already

Now, maybe some people will understand the reluctance to show the insides of an EZM tranny,,,by buying a cheaper copy, you are only taking money out of 'Bubba's' mouth to feed 'Hop-Sing' (sorry for the bad analogy)

if it isn't made here, I don't have much choice but to buy an import
but, if it is, I would much rather my buck stays stateside :):):)
 
Now, maybe some people will understand the reluctance to show the insides of an EZM tranny,,,by buying a cheaper copy, you are only taking money out of 'Bubba's' mouth to feed 'Hop-Sing' (sorry for the bad analogy)

if it isn't made here, I don't have much choice but to buy an import
but, if it is, I would much rather my buck stays stateside :):):)

They'll just buy that too and copy it :(
 
Except Harbor Freight.

They'll be selling comparable small 2 strokes hooked to really cheap "tools" of various sorts for a goodly while. Saw a 900 watt genset today, 2 stroke 63 cc slant cylinder engine for $109. I pulled out my pocket rule, and measured - the rough dimensions of the engine are L 9.75" x W 5.5" x H 11". It is a CC rotation engine, and appears to be designed for a 4K rpm peak power band. Looks remarkably like a re-purposed moped engine.

That generator is not a re-purposed moped engine. It is a copy of a Yamaha ET-950 generator. I own one, and it is a very sturdy little generator. It can't be used for bicycles because the generator housing is cast as part of the engine crankcase. (and with a cast iron cylinder, it is pretty darned heavy!)

As far as the guts of the EZM goes, I don't see anything patent worthy about it. Same goes for the shifter kit. Both are public domain kind of concepts. Now maybe the 2 speed that they are working on will have something really groundbreaking, or it could just be a "re-purposed" Comet two speed go kart transmission. (over-running clutch design)
 
Dunno AG, I;m obviously not a patent attorney, but I am given to understand that a material can't be patented, nor a use for an existing thing, but "the assemblage" is patentable. That would qualify both of them.

On the other hand, patent laws don't protect you, you still have to pay the legal fees to protect your device, which generally the patent holder will win. Unfortunately the "patent jumper probably has had several years to accumulate a nice chunk of change. Kind of makes patents seem useless in the "cottage industry" scheme of things.

I should educate myself on copyrights and various forms of protection the government supposedly provides. There may be a better way.
 
Nothing revolutionary, and probably not patentable, but Jim and Paul did come up with the idea, yet haven't even been given any credit. Also, if the photo is really one of SBP's....
I'll buy mine from Sick Bike Parts.
I had a (non-patentable) electronic design stolen and reproduced in Hong Kong some years ago. Patent or not, it's still theft, in my opinion.
I've had good dealings with Dax and doubt that they would have been directly involved in the copying. Just the same...

Should have added, often things aren't patentable because the intended market is small and patent costs are expensive, especially for the all-important US patent.

... Steve
 
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this is the cost of prioritizing "free trade" over "fair trade"

i'll stay out of the name-game, but i'm sure there's more than a few of us who are not surprised...

but, let's be clear...anyone who knows where to look will find the early design & development discussions about several domestic MB-options right here on MBc...and you'll see that for the most part they all started in the public domain, and were actually spawned by other designs & components already being used elsewhere.

so, noone's been "ripped off"...at the most, the sharing-public has been exploited here & there...and i'm still not very happy about how some of the commercial efforts have conducted/presented themselves...but please let's not hear any more about the "poor guys" who exploited and are now being exploited in return. it's an unregulated industry & everyone got into it with eyes wide open.

and they were forewarned too...but shot the messenger for sake of a buck...my eyes were opened early on & i spoke out but GEEZ did i ever take a beating (and still do) over my "exposing" some peeps for what or who they really are.

quit acting surprised or indignant...when the MB-consumer had the chance to exert some regulation (thru more discriminate purchasing) he/she did nothing and let the commercial aspect dominate the consumer aspect of our motorsport...you asked for it, you got it...and "i told you so" won't make a danged bit of difference now.

so...how many peeps are gonna "switch sides" again this time i wonder? what a strange buncha birds this lil society has been to observe.
 
legalities about illegal products...how absurd.

don't just quote what's convenient...

the rest of it with bold added:
"...at the most, the sharing-public has been exploited here & there...and i'm still not very happy about how some of the commercial efforts have conducted/presented themselves...but please let's not hear any more about the "poor guys" who exploited and are now being exploited in return. it's an unregulated industry & everyone got into it with eyes wide open.

all some companies have actually done is successfully execute...while admirable, it's hardly rocket-science...in principle, the designs & concepts "belong" to the contributing & sharing members of MBc who posted the early ideas and links to working designs already in action elsewhere. good luck getting any successful vendor to openly admit MBc got them started tho.
 
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While I agree with most of what had been mentioned in this thread I would like to make a few comments. Am I surprised my (SBP) design was copied? No. Was the concept of transferring the engine drive to the right side of the bike and running it through a front freewheel a new concept? No, however I did think of it myself before I saw that it had already been done. What I did design and make unique was the method of mounting the jackshaft bearing plates and rear motor mount to the engine making it truly universal to all of the Chinese 2 stroke engines. This had not been done in this fashion before I did it. This is what made the SBP design, unique, affordable and marketable. Now we all know the Chinese copy stuff, was I surprised? No, we actually caught a Chinese manufacture attempting to sell a copy of our kit about 8 months after we began selling our kit. Just like today they were using photos of my bike taken from our website. I don't really have any point to make here other than stating the facts. I would also like to make sure that everyone know that DAX did not steal the design. He is simply selling something that he has purchased from a supplier in China. End of story.
 
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