Engine Trouble engine starts but bike doesnt take off

lewsidius

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hello everyone
sorry if im posting something already up
i just dont understand the lingo
engine starts but bike doesnt take off
i move the throttle open and no change in sound
and i slowly come to a hault and the engine turns off
the engine has a good sound and a consistent rythum

so i dont know what to adjust or whats wrong????

what does idle mean , is it when the engine is on or when it takes off

any idea would be very helpful
 
what does idle mean , is it when the engine is on or when it takes off

When you start a motor car, it's in Park or Neutral, foot off the accelerator and the engine is ticking over, that's Idling.

By the sounds of it, you may consider asking a mechanically minded friend to oversee what you want to do with your bike. Not to get your friend to do it for your, but YOU get YOUR hands a little dirty and get a feel of what it's all about.
Reading is one thing, it's just that, knowledge.
But practical experience is another thing.

Post some pictures of the current location of the problem you are working on, or post some pictures of the bike, so we can see what's going on.
 
thanks for the reply
good tips!
i was also wondering how to check if im getting a good spark?
do i take the plug out and keep the cap on
or
do i take the cap off and see sparks
i think the sparks come from the bottom of the plug, no?
 
Oh boy!!!
Ok, you could have several things wrong, but you need to know how to explain exactly what's going on.
If you do not know what "idling" is, how can you explain what the engine is (or isn't) doing? The best way to learn is to try and descibe the problem, include pics or a video if possible, learn the right words for what part is what. Please try to understand that it's difficult for someone to try and troubleshoot the problem based off of what you are saying and that sometimes what people say doesn;t make sens if the right words or terminology isn't used.
If you do not have a pull start on your engine and you are able to peddle start it (peddle bike to speed, let out clutch and the engine starts) then that tells me that your clutch is adjusted right.
Now, if you give it throttle(twist the gas) and the engine does not rev up at all, then you probably have the slide installed in the carb wrong. The slide is the little barrel shaped peice inside the carb, under the top cap that the throttle cable hooks to and slides up & down when you twist the throttle.
The slide can go into the carb 2 different ways, but only one way is correct.

If you pull the slide out of the carb (by unscrewing the cap on top of the carb and pulling it out) the slide will be attached by the throttle cable. the cap, slide, needle, cable and spring will come out all as one peice. There is no need to disconnect the cable or anything else from this assembly
Now, look at the slide itself closely and you should see that it will have 2 notches in it at the bottom (a long slot and a short slot).
You need to put the slide back in the carb so that the short slot is to the left side (while sitting on the bike looking down at the carb) and the long slot should be on the right.
The long slot has to line up with a little tiny pin that is cast into the inside of the carb. and the short slot has to line up with the idle adjustment screw.
Slide the slide back into the carb and concentrate on getting the long slot to line up with the little pin. You can turn the slide as you lower it until you feel the slot find the pin. Also make sure that the needle is in the center of the carb (that's where the main jet is). The slide should go back into the carb easily with very little resistance. It should be a precise fit, but you should still be able to slide the slide up & down easily. All you need to do is get the long slot lined up with the little pin and the idle adjustmet screw will automatically line up with the short slot.
now, put tighten the cap on top of the carb by hand...do not use pliers or anything like that because you can distort the carb body and/or strip the threads.
start the engine and adjust your idle screw. (The little screw with the spring around it on the outside of the carb on the left side. Screw it in to raise the idle, and screw it out to lower the idle.) Set it to where the engine is ticking over nicely and not revving too high. You want the engine to sit there and run on it's own at a fairly low r.p.m. "pop-pop-pop-pop"
If you have the slide in wrong, you will not have any throttle response (engine will not rev up when you twist the throttle) or the engine will be stuck at wide open throttle all the time and revving like crazy.
I am assuming that you originally put the slide in the carb because the older n.t carb versions came with the carb partially unassembled. you had to hook up the throttle cable to the slide and then put the slide, spring, and needle in the carb and tighten the top cap.

from what you are describing it sure sounds like you have the slide in wrong.
or, you have way too much slack in your throttle cable.

The best way to learn about this stuff is to ask questions, and then tackle fixing the problem yourself.
IF you put the slide in the carb wrong, don't worry this is a very common mistake, and a very simple fix.

to check if you are getting spark....remove the spark plug from the engine. Snap the spark plug wire back onto the top of the spark plug and rest the spark plug on the top of the engine (the cylinder head). now, turn the rear wheel with the clutch engaged (so the engine turns over) and watch the tip (the electrode) of the spark plug (the end that goes into the engine). you should see a nice blue-ish white spark but it will not be constant...it will be on-off-on-off-on-off.
It will be a small spark and sometimes it's hard to see if you don't know exactly what to look for. But, sometimes you will hear it go "snap-snap-snap".
If your engine starts and runs, there really is no need to check for spark. you either have spark or you don't and the engine won't run without it.
BUT in some instances you could have a very weak spark that looks good, but is not strong enough to make the engine run.
 
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thanks alot that very insiteful

i do understand what your saying:geek:

i just had a few dumb questions on stuff i was confused about :rolleyes:


but that caught me right up and clarified

some other forum postings kinda sent me off course a little cause of the way things were worded
im gonna try the bike again first thing in the morning
just wanted to drop a line and let you know your help is truly appressiated and your making a newb advance in knowledge
thanks:rolleyes:
chris
 
Okay so i tried the bike before work after tightening the Throttle and the same thing happens. the bike idles then as i lose speed the engine gets quiter and i slowly come to a hault. the throttle is preety tight there is no slack there and when i turn it no noise difference. could it be i just need a bigger hill and turn the engine for a longer time period? im off to work but on return im goin to take apart the carb and see whats goin on. but its more then likely a carb problem. could it be the float? and that the engine is not getting enogh gas throgh the line?
 
Okay so i tried the bike before work after tightening the Throttle and the same thing happens. the bike idles then as i lose speed the engine gets quiter and i slowly come to a hault. the throttle is preety tight there is no slack there and when i turn it no noise difference. could it be i just need a bigger hill and turn the engine for a longer time period? im off to work but on return im goin to take apart the carb and see whats goin on. but its more then likely a carb problem. could it be the float? and that the engine is not getting enogh gas throgh the line?

If you twist the throttl and the engine does not react at all to it, I will bet that you have the slide installed wrong in the carb.
No, a bigger hill will not do anything for you.
Once the engine is running you should be able to twist the throttle and the engine should rev up (just like if you push the gas pedal on a car while in park)
The float really has nothing to do with how the engine revs up.....I am going to almost gurantee you that the slide is installed in the carb wrong.
 
okay
so i took apart the carb and the slide is moving proper back and forth
but i noticed the tickler button was busted so i tried fixing it but it was too weak and snapped in half
should i just fill it with a screw for now to seal it
thats what someone did on another forum
???
but the throttle has no slack and moves with ease and the spark plug definatly has a strong spark (ouch)
thanks again :D
 
hello again
i adjusted the float
and gas is leaking
but i started the bike anyway
and it actually moved
its stupid i know
but i was able to go pretty fast
and i wanted to see if it worked and it did
however it really over heated

but its helped me establish that there is a shortage of gas going in

it either barely gets enough gas and just idles
or it gets too much gas and doesn't idle but it takes off and overheats

and i only move the forks on the float ever so slightly to make this transition

when i look at the gas line when there is not enough gas it fills just to the bottom of the filter on the line

and when its overflowing
that when the entire line is full

help?
im so close
thanks!
 
by the sounds of previous posts i reckon you think "over heating" is being slightly over 50 degrees celcius...

overheating is when the engine gets to around 350 degrees celcius, the plugs melting, the pistons about to blow a hole in itself, and the **** thing has siezed! and you gotta be running it really lean to do that!

ive never really had a fuel filter fill up completely. theres always an air bubble somewhere.

unfortunately, everyone has written huge replies for you, explaining so much...and youre not having any luck.

my recomendations? find a local, friendly mower mechanic and pay him for some hands on lessons! thats all the help anyone can give you now...sorry :)

i reckon your needles not on the slide :D
 
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