stronger BMX frame- cheap or expensive?

Where are you going to mount the motor? I was assuming you'd make a rear rack.. that's why I was thinking seatstay construction is so important. The welds (contact area) on the Diamondback is just the TIPS of the seatstays concentrating the force on a tiny weld, not a proper wishbone with a huge contact area like the H. Deebo in the pic I posted. If your motor is as awesome as it sounds, a serious frame would be an investment and "make" the machine.. and won't cost a lot of $$, just time in finding one.
I think it'll loop out tho, frame being SO short and you being so light; but that's for you to find out haha. :D Wear a MX helmet PLEASE though cuz I did know a guy who died when he looped out (falling off the back).
 
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From there I'll have a left side drive to a sprocket that's welded to the rear hub (I'm going to use a large diameter hub on a 48 spoke wheel for extra strength).
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I'm still thinking about brakes, maybe dual rim brakes on each wheel?
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My Specialized BMX has a both side drive 14mm hollow cro-mo axle rear wheel for people who mostly grind on their right side they can switch it over to a left hand side drivetrain, so that would allow you to replace your freewheel when it wears out.

A bolt on V-brake plate (Brooklyn Machine Works might do you a nice one) or one either side of the fork (think that's what you mean by "dual") should be good. :)

I guess you could mount the fuel tank inside the bars?
 
Where are you going to mount the motor? I was assuming you'd make a rear rack.. that's why I was thinking seatstay construction is so important. The welds (contact area) on the Diamondback is just the TIPS of the seatstays concentrating the force on a tiny weld, not a proper wishbone with a huge contact area like the H. Deebo in the pic I posted. If your motor is as awesome as it sounds, a serious frame would be an investment and "make" the machine.. and won't cost a lot of $$, just time in finding one.
I think it'll loop out tho, frame being SO short and you being so light; but that's for you to find out haha. :D Wear a MX helmet PLEASE though cuz I did know a guy who died when he looped out (falling off the back).

I was going to weld a big triangle of sheet metal to the main triangular section of the frame (the one where a HT goes), then weld my motor mounts to that. The motor will sit up closer to the headtube than to the seat post, so it isn't in the way of my pedals. I guess I'll be bolting the sheet to the frame instead of welding it now.

There was also an old norco spitfire for 100$, but it's built the same as the diamondback and costs alot more.

Sorry to hear a out the guy looping it, I wear a motocross helmet because I race motoX so I already have the helmet.
 
My 140cc 2 stroke lawnmower bike, that made 4hp stock and probably makes around 7 now will only wheelie in first gear, on a crappy 20" huffy, so I don't think wheelieing will be too bad. Still possible, but not a big problem lol
 
Not sure about fuel tank location, might just use a HT fuel tank

But am I correct that BMX frames are stronger than regular bicycle frames?
 
I don't know why you wouldn't weld to the frame. You won't be ruining any existing heat treating if the bike isn't heat treated, and for the money you're looking at it won't be heat treated. I wouldn't want a seatstay weld coming undone and you getting the seatstay shoved up your [leg] by a 7hp motor so I feel it needs a gusset adding, personally. I can't picture what you're going to do about making the motor mount inside the frame.. is it really THAT small? I had a 27cc off a goped(copy) motor, never managed to mount it in my Hoffman because of the difficulty getting a sprocket for it (goped chain was tiny, not a BMX chain to make things simple) but it was never going to fit in the front triangle of the frame. I'd love to see some pics of your build once you get it going, this is turning out to be really interesting! :) :)


Idk MBs, though I am more familiar than most about BMX and MTB.. only meant to chat with you about "general bicycle questions" as I know BMX bikes so I can actually talk in this part of the forum without talking out my armpit. :p I still say go for a 24"(wheel) frame though, you get longer toptube and seatstays that way, and even if you stick 20" wheels in there could well still have clearance for pedalling as long as you don't try to pedal around corners, lol. A 24" fram could use a (adult) mountainbike fork, suspension fork, disk brake compatible fork (check my album), slackening head angle a little by raising bars but without ruining BB height as much as on a 20"(wheel) BMX. Bottom bracket height affects looping out more than anything when messing about with a BMX frame, a slight increase in BB height means quite a few degrees higher from your rear axle.. hope I put that clearly.. I'll draw up a pic if you like though.

Mounting the tank further forward would just help a little with (not) looping out, that's what I was thinking.. gives you a little more knee room too, not to mention would be barely visible hidden inside there so the bike would look really cool. The little bar mounted tanks on the Team Boxer bikes (check the Gallery section) that I've seen look ideally sized for this and shouldn't affect your steering too badly if your bars are mounted "correctly" parallel with the fork leg (not wayy dangerously forward as a lot of kids have them set up).


But am I correct that BMX frames are stronger than regular bicycle frames?

Well that's a huge sweeping generalisation. Short answer is no, but they have short tubes so lower leverage forces to deal with, same as with the wheels' stiffness. "stronger BMX frame, cheap or expensive?" was the original question.. I'd say twice as expensive as the Diamondback you were looking at, and you won't find a real BMX freestyle frame browsing classifieds same as you won't find a dirt jumping/downhill MTB in classifieds, only 26" wheel road/shopping "mountainbikes".. You would find it by chatting with older BMX riders, the owner of the local indoor skatepark, or maybe putting a "wanted: strong 1990s BMX frame & fork" poster in your local indoor skatepark.
The majority of all "stunt" bikes are made for kids to ride on the road and feel like their "stuntman" hero, not actually ride like one. You could just weld gussets onto a Diamondback I expect, since you're not going to need to jump it or pedal it at jumps. Or are you going to jump it?? If your motor is truly something special, then a cheap frame would waste it IMO.
 
haha I can ride reverse on my BMX *lands fakie and rides past you backwards* :D Yes it is very new looking paintwork on the one in that pic, looks barely ridden. I WANT IT! :D
I only showed it as it's a benchmark of strong BMX fames with no regard to weight, and an example of proper rear stay construction. The deebo wasn't longg, ideal dirt jump frame for 6' riders. I admit mine as a "li'l deebo" which was slightly shorter but I was learning 540s (1 and a half aerial spins) etc on it lol. I couldn't weld to one, it's a classic!!! but they sold them as complete bikes, back in 2000 I got one (used) for £150.. Gack wheelset, Primo cranks.. sorted. :) Idk what they sell for in U.S.$ these days.. not $35 though? I would recommend keatonx buys my Federal cruiser off me for this project but I'm in UK. Anyway he says he doesn't have problems keeping the front wheel down on his other 20"er.

btw the guy selling the Diamondback (looking at the pic) has been riding with the seat sooo high he probably strained the upper seat tube welds by having insufficient amount of his seatpost in the seat tube, that's if he didn't bend the seat tube itself, and wouldn't surprise me if it's impossible to put the seat down now (or might need whack with a mallet to do so!).

Back to the NORCO you mentioned but I forgot to comment on.. those are RACING bikes. Some newer ones (I just googled) are stonger, with a proper rear stay construction, but older ones are.. pants. :( All of them have a high bottom bracket, which means a BMX racer can pedal deeper into the corner and win the race.. but it WILL loop out much easier than a freestyle bike with it's low BB. I'd say look for a bike with a BB in line with the axles not above them.. you can weld on braces/gussets to reinforce a frame but you can't alter a frame's BB height.

example pics: ALL norco spitfires, one strong, one not so strong, one pants. ALL unsuitable BB height.

norco spitfire pro.jpegnorco RACING spitfire.jpgspitfire_lg.jpg
 
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Ok, what would the weak points on a cheap bike frame be? I wouldn't mind welding on a bunch of braces, gussets, lugs, etc. if it would fix most of the problems.
Why would the seatstay be a target, is it from the added pressure of the tight drive chain pulling the back end in?

Btw the engine isn't going directl inside the frame, it's hanging out on the right side (not by alot tho, maybe 5, 1/2 inches max. It's a pancake shape- round, but thin
 
Oh yeah, Here's the extra bar I had to weld onto my lawnmower bike's frame- the seat post was bending slightly because the seatstay and top tube were attached to it at different points.
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IbedaYank, here's all that stuff I needed to do to make the derailleur system work without a freewheel. Pretty sketchy, used to make the wheel lock up all the time. That's why I'm using a proper gearbox this time.
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Here's the whole bike
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