Super wide range torque pipe from Jaguar is a technological breakthrough

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If you are interested in performance mods for this engine, then this is the way to go. The only thing is that you will have to take a little time to make it yourself.
The bike gets on the pipe at low rpm's, less than 2000 rpm's and in 3 seconds its at top speed with a stock rear sprocket. It's truly amazing. The only thing is that it's not for everyone. Definitely not for inexperienced bicyclists!
The sound! A low rpm supercharge sound is much more classy and inspiring than the high rpm wailing of any bike. It's at low rpm's, you hit the gas, and it begins to roar a low deep dragon song. I run my pipe with no muffler and just the straight stinger tube. It's got a metallic giant bumble bee sound that's low down and boogie and draws respect, instead of a high pitch high rpm scream that usually draws only ire and disgust from people around you. My bike sounds more like a Harley than a scream machine.
A high rpm engine will be powerful only at high rpm's. The high rpm's will kill it fast, espeially if it's one of these Chinese engines.
As for any two stroke engine that you want to port for low rpm power with a lower rpm range, up to about 8000rpm's, this pipe will do wonders. Any low rpm two stroke scooter or motorcycle will become majorly powerful and will have an incredible low canon thunder sound.
I had already ported the cylinder and deepned and widened and correcterd the transfers. I had already added a new Dellorto 16mm carburator and a Jaguar CDI. I was already feeling more power than when the engine came out of the box. But when I put that torque pipe on, it just blew my world away! It became 2 - 3 times more powerful! The bike got a soul and I was no longer striving to drive at full speed all the time. I became happy to be at a lower to mid speed where I could constantly give it gas and hear that orgasmic thunder and feel the powerful acceleration that is just mind blowing for a bicycle. I blow motorcylces and cars away at certain speed ranges. I can use a 35 tooth rear sprocket and cruise at high speeds, a Gran Prix racer. I've got my stock 44 toother on now and I go to top speed immediately! I'm going to keep it on for winter sports, when I get my spiked tires on!
Sometimes the answer to all your problems is just before your eyes. If you love to cruise or ripit, then you will become a different person after doing it with this pipe! You'll probably have to tighten up the clutch mechanism a bit though, so it can hold all that power!
If for whatever reason you don't even want to try, well that's okay with me. I've got the desire to covet this as a secret weapon. I highly doubt that most of the guys should even have a racing motorcyle for a bicycle.
Just don't forget to get rid of those cantilever brakes and get some disc brakes! ;-)
 
Torque Pipe Magic

Well, if I were selling the torque pipe then people would think that was a paid testimony. It's not. The pipe is that good.
To all distributors of motorized bicycle parts I have only one word for you all: FOOLS!
Once you start making and selling this pipe the demand will be enormous! Meanwhile you sell those **** pocketbike pipes that only cater to high RPM power and are way way too loud (even with a silencer). Every pocketbike pipe sale undercuts the whole motorized bike movement due to their loud noise.
After weeks of mental work I found the answer but no distributor is making use of it.

LL, you're the man. Kudos to you for making your bike magic!
 
Well, if I were selling the torque pipe then people would think that was a paid testimony. It's not. The pipe is that good.
To all distributors of motorized bicycle parts I have only one word for you all: FOOLS!
Once you start making and selling this pipe the demand will be enormous! Meanwhile you sell those **** pocketbike pipes that only cater to high RPM power and are way way too loud (even with a silencer). Every pocketbike pipe sale undercuts the whole motorized bike movement due to their loud noise.
After weeks of mental work I found the answer but no distributor is making use of it.

LL, you're the man. Kudos to you for making your bike magic!


Hi Jaguar!

Thanks again for the help with the pipe! It's amazing. The guys at our garage were all skeptics, but after actually seeing and trying it, they said it was really surprising that it works in such a wide range. These guys had lost respect for the Chinese engines and had gone over to electric long before I showed up, but this had actually impressed them. Anyway they liked how I work too and now I'm in the custom shop helping make bikes and all kinds of stuff as a job. We'll have to give it a try on some of those bigger two stroke street retro bikes they got sitting there.
As far as the loud goes, I know I'm on a thin line by running the bike with no muffler at all. But like I said, when the rpm's are low, the sound is not quite so caustic and when they see it's a bicycle, they all want one. Every single man over 40 and up to 90 years old in the USSR had one of these things in their childhood - though I doubt they had a good torque pipe!))) It was one of the things that everybody could afford and was always available. Besides, loud is good on Russian roads. Loud pipes save lives! It is extremely dangerous to drive in Russia, lot's of friggin stupid fools and road rage. Now that I'm running loud, I'll never go back. The drivers notice me and most of them let me through out of courtesy, or curiousity. When I do go off road, on sidewalks and through parks though, I do turn off the engine and use my pedals if I see any baby carriages, people with dogs and elderly. People notice that I cut the engine out of consideration and it makes them glad =-)
 
Here you Go!

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thanks for the review but a video and pictures w really be nice for armchair mechanics.

Here you go! I used the program cone layout and printed the forms on paper and then glued them to ceral box carton. Then I layed them on some metal and scratched the line. I ended up with about .5 to 1 mm extra along the edges and when I had the peices bent to shape, I could use the calipers on each end to measure the diameter of the perfectly round opening. Also I measure the length using calipers. There was a large cutting disc at work that I could get inside the lengthwise cut and take metal off easily, but slowly and carefully.Otherwise a handgrinder in a vise or just a plain old file would work. When everything was perfect in size, I just use wire and other junk to compress the cone or cylinder into the perfect position for welding it. Not so hard at all really. Just don't get in a hurry. I used my spare time at work for bending and welding. Took a couple of weeks. The header was a real challenge. I used this piece of 28 mm steel tube that has a 25 mm inner diameter. I had to cut it into 6 pieces and grind the edge to sharper angles because nobody could bend it like I needed it. The connecting ends were made on a lathe at work.
 
thanks for the review but a video and pictures w really be nice for armchair mechanics.

In this video the clutch has not been tightened up yet and I can't give it too much gas at once or it just slips. Also the rear sprocket is 35 teeth, so it's for cruising at higher speeds instead of taking off from lower speeds. http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?o=U

You can hear it better in this video, I was running it with no stinger tube when I first got the pipe on. But again, the clutch is not holding the new power and I can't give it full throttle at once or it just slips, so I give it gradually. Later I got my clutch tightened up and it holds, but I havent made any more videos yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV0ddAcenl8

I'm running it with the stock sprocket now and it takes of real fast, but the top speed is miserable. I'm going to keep it on for the winter though. I've got spiked tires.
 
I'd like to see another video of you going from 0 to topspeed now that your clutch is adjusted and you have the 44 tooth sprocket
 
sublunacy, lazylightning is the one who shared the woosh silencer design with me.
his friend invented it.
 
I will gladly take credit for my inventions but not for someone elses.
My design of silencer is pretty good though.
LL is right though about the noise level being just right from a "belly stinger" if you want to be noticed without getting people mad at you
 
sounds like a hillclimbing pipe. nice nice

jag has a couple crazey amazing silencers. hes probly angry that the pipe is loud. ask him about the woosh silencer he was talking about 3 weeks ago. i was wanting to say something.

It's an all around nice pipe. When I get to full speed with the 35 tooth sprocket I really don't want to go much faster. The roads are bad, it is a bicycle after all =-)
There's nothing wrong with a loud pipe in Russia, no laws about loud mufflers, almost all bikes are muffler-less. It really does help get drivers attention. If they don't notice you, then things get really nasty after a close call or accident - road rage, shoot outs and the whole nine. It's Russia after all and the drunk drivers need to hear you coming loud and clear.
If I'm scooting the sidewalks or in parks, I turn off the engine and use the pedals when approaching people with strollers, elderly, people with dogs or people from behind. Going slow and all. I do alot of grass on mediums, beyond shoulders and between trees and stuff to go around gridlock trtaffic jams. There was only 7 million people in Moscow 20 years ago, now there is 50 milion.
The Woosh silencer that Jaguar made is similar to the one that my proffesor friend invented but quite different. I made a super one and the pulsation is almost cgone coming out of the muffler, but the engine block-cylinder itself is still quite lound at high rpm.
 
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I'd like to see another video of you going from 0 to topspeed now that your clutch is adjusted and you have the 44 tooth sprocket

I was going through a clutch pushrod every week from my overtightened clutch. Cables were breaking fast and I finally lossened the clutch back up. So now it's slipping again. I will try to be more careful and adjust it back now very slowly, a quarter turn at a time. It's very difficult to take it all apart to access the little hole for adjusting the clutch though. It would be great if someone would make an after market system to allow the cable to connect to that stock support-hole cover, and then disconnect without having to remove the frayed cable and the have to try to thread it back through each time.
Soon it will be snow and ice season in Russia, and I am plannig to have some fun ;-)
 
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