Jackshaft cassette wear and single cog replacement for shifter bike

new wheel? maybe yes. a sun rhyno on a decent hub w better than stock right. or get a rim w the same inner rim size. disc adapter...
If I may make a recommendation...

Just replace the wheel with an internally geared hub so you can use a nice HD 410 or even 415 drive chain that doesn't have to move from sprocket to sprocket laterally tearing itself up at least a little bit on every shift.

Heck you can get a new 26" coaster brake 3-speed Shimano back wheel with the cable and shifter for like $50 and though the coaster brake is useless with a jackshaft you have your bikes dual V brakes which is why for many shifter builds especially 4-strokers I go with a steel 7-speed bike and swap the hub or whole wheel for an internal.

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Your bike is a fix but I routinely have the local bike shop I get my new bikes from let me swap out a 7 speeds whole system for an internal 3-speed for like $30 if I pull all the 7-speed stuff off and install the new wheel and shifter.

I have the parts for my next Big Red 4-stroke 3-speed shifter sitting here waiting for it's turn in the build bay.

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Other than NuVinci's I have yet to see a trashed internal shifter and they are a joy to ride ;-}
 
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That is a sensational find. Please use the best of your talents to find a packet of 12 tooth and 13 tooth cogs in 9 speed spacing as well as 11 tooth and 12 tooth and 13 tooth cogs in 8 speed spacing.

So these 11 tooth should work for 8 speed since its the last cog on the set, correct?
 
I Re-trued my wheel with stress relieving the spokes at the same time, took it for a ride, no broken spokes as of yet.
I need a rear tire bad, its so bald i'm picking up little slow leaks from glass.
Think ill scrap the 2.4 tire idea and try to find a 2.2. If i break a spoke with a 2.4 tire on there it will rub the chain stays for sure and ill have to lift and walk the bike home!
I just wish i could find a slightly smaller tire for the same price as the cyclops ($34 delivered for 2 tires)
 
So these 11 tooth should work for 8 speed since its the last cog on the set, correct?

No it will not work properly because the centre to centre sprocket spacing is less on 9 speed cassettes, hence the reason why you need to run narrower 9 speed chain.

My personal preference is to run 9 speed chain on an 8 speed cassette because the increased gap between the outer chain plates and adjacent larger sprocket reduces ghost shifts if the bike is in an off-road situation; bashing and crashing over obstacles at speed.

I would like to get a bunch of 11, 12 and 13 tooth replacement sprockets for 8 speed cassette spacing.
 
The indexing of the shifter is calibrated to the centre to centre sprocket spacing of the cassette. So long as the rear derailleur and the shifter are of the same manufacturer and are designed for each other, the rear derailleur doesn't know that it is operating an 8 speed or 9 speed cassette.

The individual sprocket width of 8 speed and 9 speed cassettes is virtually identical and virtually identical between SRAM and Shimano, so you can mix and match sprockets to make a custom cassette. You just need to use the correct spacers for the flat sprockets, however the smallest sprockets have a built in spacer, so you can't easily use those sprockets on an alternative cassette system.

The width of the rollers on 8 speed and 9 speed chains are identical, but 9 speed chains have thinner side plates to make the chain narrower in it's overall width. For this reason you can use 9 speed chains on an 8 speed sprocket spacing but you can't use 8 speed chain on a 9 speed sprocket system.

Single speed chain uses a roller width of 3.18mm or 1/8
6 and 7 speed chain uses a roller width of 2.3mm or 3/32
8 and 9 speed chain uses a roller width of 2.2mm or 11/128
10 speed chain uses a roller width of 2.2mm or 11/128

Single speed chain has an overall width of 8.8mm (determined by the pin length)
6 and 7 speed chain has an overall width of 7.4mm (determined by the pin length)
8 speed chain has an overall width of 7.2mm (determined by the pin length)
9 speed chain has an overall width of 6.6mm (determined by the pin length)
10 speed chain has an overall width of 5.9mm (determined by the pin length)



Shimano 8-speed Centre to centre spacing = 4.8 mm
................................Sprocket thickness = 1.8 mm
...................................Spacer thickness = 3.0 mm

SRAM 8-speed.....Centre to centre spacing = 4.8 mm
................................Sprocket thickness = 1.8 mm
...................................Spacer thickness = 3.0 mm




Shimano 9-speed Centre to centre spacing =4.34 mm
...............................Sprocket thickness = 1.78 mm
..................................Spacer thickness = 2.56 mm

SRAM 9-speed....Centre to centre spacing = 4.34 mm
...............................Sprocket thickness = 1.80 mm
..................................Spacer thickness = 2.54 mm



It starts to get a bit messy with 11 speed chains.




These spacers give you options.

http://problemsolversbike.com/products/cassette_spacers
 
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good info on the cogs. Does anyone grind the hook off the worn ones to get some extra mileage out of them before replacing?
I had pretty good success with the 11 tooth doing this, it skipped occasionally at first then i guess it kind of wore itself in with the new chain cause it doesn't skip teeth at all anymore.
Really happy I don't have to spend money on new cogs right now so I found a tire and bought one.
Walmart has this tire Hutchinson Lowrider 2.35 size for $16 when you purchase it online,
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Hutchinson-Lowrider-26-Tire/20434424
They sent me an email 2 hours later to go pick it up at the store. I believe I saved $10 on 1 tire doing it this way. I only got 1 so Im going to try it on the rear tomorrow and hopefully it doesnt interfere with the jack shaft sprocket, If it does Ill just run it on the front and find something a little smaller for the rear.
 
You know I was considering this but it looked like the internal gear setups were way out of my price range. where do you get one for $50? I couldn't find any less then $125.

If I may make a recommendation...

Just replace the wheel with an internally geared hub so you can use a nice HD 410 or even 415 drive chain that doesn't have to move from sprocket to sprocket laterally tearing itself up at least a little bit on every shift.

Heck you can get a new 26" coaster brake 3-speed Shimano back wheel with the cable and shifter for like $50 and though the coaster brake is useless with a jackshaft you have your bikes dual V brakes which is why for many shifter builds especially 4-strokers I go with a steel 7-speed bike and swap the hub or whole wheel for an internal.

BlackBlue4s3s.gif


Your bike is a fix but I routinely have the local bike shop I get my new bikes from let me swap out a 7 speeds whole system for an internal 3-speed for like $30 if I pull all the 7-speed stuff off and install the new wheel and shifter.

I have the parts for my next Big Red 4-stroke 3-speed shifter sitting here waiting for it's turn in the build bay.

4-strokeShifterPanteraWheel.jpg


Other than NuVinci's I have yet to see a trashed internal shifter and they are a joy to ride ;-}
 
You know I was considering this but it looked like the internal gear setups were way out of my price range. where do you get one for $50? I couldn't find any less then $125.
I'm sorry, around $100 with the shifter is about right and that is just the hub, that $50 or so I quoted is what I have worked out with the bicycle store around the corner.

I have a long story about the Try Me Bicycle Shop but suffice it to say we have a symbiotic business relationship, I retail for a derailleur bike I intend to jackshaft and the parts to make it a 3-speed and they buy back all the shift parts on the brand new bike so my net extra is pretty low but it depends on the bike.

The main reason for this is the dual V-brakes because with a shifter there is no coaster brake and most 3-speed beach cruisers don't have any front brake.

There is a bicycle frame design for ya, a beach cruiser with 3-piece cranks, a 3-speed internal, and V-brakes or at least the bosses front and rear.
 
I would like to have a beach cruiser type frame but I never seen any that look big enough for me. I am 6'4" 32 inseam. My bike I have now is actually a little to small for me if I were to ride it strictly pedal but works out fine for motorbiking.
I just put the cruiser city type slick tires on it. they fit great but I only have 2-3mm clearance (correction, I only have about 1-2mm space) from the big gear on the jackshaft.
As soon as I get a gear puller ill put some washer spacers on it to get it away from the tire, I tried to pull that gear off the jackshaft and it wont come off!
Here is a pic of the tires on the bike, the ride is night and day, cant feel bumps at all and no more broken spokes but the bike does not take fast corners anymore is the only drawback.2013bike.jpg
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I'm sorry, around $100 with the shifter is about right and that is just the hub, that $50 or so I quoted is what I have worked out with the bicycle store around the corner.

I have a long story about the Try Me Bicycle Shop but suffice it to say we have a symbiotic business relationship, I retail for a derailleur bike I intend to jackshaft and the parts to make it a 3-speed and they buy back all the shift parts on the brand new bike so my net extra is pretty low but it depends on the bike.

The main reason for this is the dual V-brakes because with a shifter there is no coaster brake and most 3-speed beach cruisers don't have any front brake.

There is a bicycle frame design for ya, a beach cruiser with 3-piece cranks, a 3-speed internal, and V-brakes or at least the bosses front and rear.
 
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