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japat100
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another point of view
new member joins ,, need help for fuel ,, where do you think he goes ,,,,search of course ,,hit the search button ,bang ,,, a empty blank line opens up ,,punch in ,,what type fuel,,, gets back 400 returns ,, what does he say , this is crazy i only want to know what fuel ,, so then he starts a thread an ask a simple question ,
part of the problem fore sure ,is the default setting for search does not help matters as it is set now ,, the default should be for ,,topics only ,,when the blank line opens up under search , he would be searching topic only he has a much better chance as a newbie to find his answer
,,show post or show thread should be under advance where senior members know what words to use to get good results
and now you may ask why don"t the newbie go to advance ?? very simple answer ,,he is a newbie
japat
new member joins ,, need help for fuel ,, where do you think he goes ,,,,search of course ,,hit the search button ,bang ,,, a empty blank line opens up ,,punch in ,,what type fuel,,, gets back 400 returns ,, what does he say , this is crazy i only want to know what fuel ,, so then he starts a thread an ask a simple question ,
part of the problem fore sure ,is the default setting for search does not help matters as it is set now ,, the default should be for ,,topics only ,,when the blank line opens up under search , he would be searching topic only he has a much better chance as a newbie to find his answer
,,show post or show thread should be under advance where senior members know what words to use to get good results
and now you may ask why don"t the newbie go to advance ?? very simple answer ,,he is a newbie
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gone_fishin
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of course, it's all about because he's a newbie...we understand and try to help, but newbies used to know they had to learn first & participate slowly. old-school forums didn't have this problem to such a degree, a large number of today's new members see MBc as a support site by definition, so they hit us with demands and expectations that are unreasonable in a volunteer environment. i guess i'm discussing manners, same difference, eh?
if you know how to tweak a search setting, you learned it somewhere. anyone who's found us knows something about searching, and if they've registered they're capable of learning what they needed to do that...they posted, learned another new thing...but, hmmm...kinda skipped right over the part about being cool
within a few posts, we all know who's trying, and who's trying to play us. i have no problem enforcing a policy as soon as i know it needs doin' :-/
if you know how to tweak a search setting, you learned it somewhere. anyone who's found us knows something about searching, and if they've registered they're capable of learning what they needed to do that...they posted, learned another new thing...but, hmmm...kinda skipped right over the part about being cool
within a few posts, we all know who's trying, and who's trying to play us. i have no problem enforcing a policy as soon as i know it needs doin' :-/
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gone_fishin
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to answer the "too many results" thingy...you're not supposed to try to hit a bullseye right off. type in a couple or few words that you'd like to see in a subject line, get the 400 hits (you know why there's 400 hits, right? ), but then you quickly scroll thru rejecting the obvious, looking for "yours" or something that comes close. as you do, and you're clicking possibles, you'll begin to see (fairly quickly) how close you got or if you should try a different set of keywords...even 400 go pretty fast if you do it that way
oh, and when you do find one, even if it's only close? then you go ahead and post your question as a "reply" instead of starting a repeat-topic
), but then you quickly scroll thru rejecting the obvious, looking for "yours" or something that comes close. as you do, and you're clicking possibles, you'll begin to see (fairly quickly) how close you got or if you should try a different set of keywords...even 400 go pretty fast if you do it that way oh, and when you do find one, even if it's only close? then you go ahead and post your question as a "reply" instead of starting a repeat-topic
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gone_fishin
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which brings up the need for putting more thought into the subject line when you do start a new topic.
a subject line of "which fuel" isn't a very decent attempt at an inquiry, "arrrgh, help!" may be hiding some
great (and lost) information, and neither one will make much of a future search result...see?
however, searching for "which fuel" would surely lead to the words "pre-mix" (ah-ha!) which would have led to more answers.
if it's here, it probably is, you can get an answer from search a lot faster than you can by posting and waiting for the right one.
EDIT: i just turned this into the "un-official" 30 day starter-course...note the sticky, see if it helps. if you're reading this one, go read the others too
a subject line of "which fuel" isn't a very decent attempt at an inquiry, "arrrgh, help!" may be hiding some
great (and lost) information, and neither one will make much of a future search result...see?
however, searching for "which fuel" would surely lead to the words "pre-mix" (ah-ha!) which would have led to more answers.
if it's here, it probably is, you can get an answer from search a lot faster than you can by posting and waiting for the right one.
EDIT: i just turned this into the "un-official" 30 day starter-course...note the sticky, see if it helps. if you're reading this one, go read the others too
azbill
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haha...too funny !!!note the sticky, see if it helps. if you're reading this one, go read the others too
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gone_fishin
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all good in the hood...we do have to keep trying until something works.
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try1897
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I don't know but it seems to me many moons ago when I first came here this was a place to shoot the breeze when we weren't riding. We all had questions cause this was a fairly new thing. It seems to be getting a little too regulated . I'm meen I remember when the site was a newbie. I thought I was having fun.... Don't send me to school and make me sit in the corner ... Don't worry / be happy... Go ride your bike ... It will come to you!!!!................T
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just for kicks
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I think some of the rules/changes are being put in place to keep it all manageable.The site is growing and it must be getting more difficult to keep it all tidy.
Here is my take on a typical new forum user usage chart:
New forum user-Has a problem with his/her whateveritis.
Gets on net and does a search.(so yeah he/she can use search)
Comes up with multiple sites.
Joins the most promising/interesting site.
Looks around a bit (1-3 minutes maybe) remembers problem with his/her whateveritis.
May do a search but may not even know what it is called so search goes bad or comes back with far to many posts to read or the first few dont really give any detail "ie." it's really a limited/bad post.
Posts a question about his/her whateveritis hoping for a quick anwser because it seems faster to just ask than to sift thru all the posts for a key piece of info.
Looks over the forum for a few more minutes and goes to another site.
Comes back later or next day to read any responses.
Of course the people that just post a question without searching and doing some reading miss out on a lot of other useful info.
But I have seen days go by with most of the activity in vent/rant posts which in themselves are kept under control but are of zero and I mean zero interest to me.
Although I do understand the need to vent/rant at times I just would like to see some motoredbike related topics more than vents/rants even if it is a common repeat question.(ahh but those are my personal likes/dislikes so they dont count-oops that my rant about rants-yuck)
Here is my take on a typical new forum user usage chart:
New forum user-Has a problem with his/her whateveritis.
Gets on net and does a search.(so yeah he/she can use search)
Comes up with multiple sites.
Joins the most promising/interesting site.
Looks around a bit (1-3 minutes maybe) remembers problem with his/her whateveritis.
May do a search but may not even know what it is called so search goes bad or comes back with far to many posts to read or the first few dont really give any detail "ie." it's really a limited/bad post.
Posts a question about his/her whateveritis hoping for a quick anwser because it seems faster to just ask than to sift thru all the posts for a key piece of info.
Looks over the forum for a few more minutes and goes to another site.
Comes back later or next day to read any responses.
Of course the people that just post a question without searching and doing some reading miss out on a lot of other useful info.
But I have seen days go by with most of the activity in vent/rant posts which in themselves are kept under control but are of zero and I mean zero interest to me.
Although I do understand the need to vent/rant at times I just would like to see some motoredbike related topics more than vents/rants even if it is a common repeat question.(ahh but those are my personal likes/dislikes so they dont count-oops that my rant about rants-yuck)
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japat100
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lf there one think in life i hate is regulation ,regulations regulations ,, as the world get more populated there will be more regulation ...
a true short story if you have time to read ,,
in the 40s a man called "" the Rabbit "" nick name of course ,lived in my town of 2000 people , if you wanted to get a drivers license you had to go see the Rabbit ,, first question he asked ,how old are you ? ,reply ""16 '',do you know where the brakes are ??,, reply"" yes "", how many miles did you drive ? and if you said 100 miles he would go out and mark down the mileage on your car and tell you you need 500 miles to get a license ,so go out and drive another 400 miles ,,,
when you done that you would come and see the Rabbit ,he would charge you $2.00 ,and i am told he keep $1.00 and sent the other one to the government ,
back then it worked because there were very few cars ,and most only when 30 miles an hour ,,so how would that system work today ??
the same with this forum when you had 100 or 200 members and all newbies you don"t need rules and regulations ,, but when you start heading for thousands of members you better get everything in place ,,yes rules and regulations are necessary evils
i hate regulations ,, but if everybody got there drivers license from the Rabbit in 2007 i can tell you,,you would not live to see 25 ,,thats why we need regulations
japat
a true short story if you have time to read ,,
in the 40s a man called "" the Rabbit "" nick name of course ,lived in my town of 2000 people , if you wanted to get a drivers license you had to go see the Rabbit ,, first question he asked ,how old are you ? ,reply ""16 '',do you know where the brakes are ??,, reply"" yes "", how many miles did you drive ? and if you said 100 miles he would go out and mark down the mileage on your car and tell you you need 500 miles to get a license ,so go out and drive another 400 miles ,,,
when you done that you would come and see the Rabbit ,he would charge you $2.00 ,and i am told he keep $1.00 and sent the other one to the government ,
back then it worked because there were very few cars ,and most only when 30 miles an hour ,,so how would that system work today ??
the same with this forum when you had 100 or 200 members and all newbies you don"t need rules and regulations ,, but when you start heading for thousands of members you better get everything in place ,,yes rules and regulations are necessary evils
i hate regulations ,, but if everybody got there drivers license from the Rabbit in 2007 i can tell you,,you would not live to see 25 ,,thats why we need regulations
japat
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