$1 million awarded to MB rider/ fender failure

seems we all posting so far agree we should be willing to take our lumps for that "30mph rush." build & ride safe, fellow MB'ers, it's still every bit as fun.

vtec, your counter-thought is logical alright...but i bet we are the subject of a rant now and then over mai-tais at "fundraisers"...and consider, the first time an underage rider leaves a trail of brain-matter thru an intersection the numbers may wash out differently...for now, hopefully for a long time, your take is the more accurate one i believe.
 
I've had several requests to buy my bikes or have me build one for someone. I've turned them all down on exactly these grounds. I tell folks that these are rolling sculpture, for amusement only, and can in no way be categorized as safe. If I bust my A on my own bike, that's one thing, if someones gets hurt, it's quite another.

I'd be surprised if the above verdict were not overturned on appeal, I just regret the tremendous public expense that will be incurred sorting it out.
 
boiled down, it's always been my thought that the insurance lobby will likely "get us" before vehicle & traffic laws do.

Yes I agree, as in the insurers driving legislation against what they see as liability. They already do that with wide influence.
 
Yes I agree, as in the insurers driving legislation against what they see as liability. They already do that with wide influence.

yeah right... not a chance. Like I said, not enough money in it.

Have you ever tried to sell a PAP??? There is almost no money in it. Motorcycles are even less.

The real money is in Commercial auto. So... unless companies start using fleets of mb's, I doubt the insurance companies are going to put much thought in it.

Stop being so cheap and paranoid the insurance companies are just after YOUR money. Truth is that homeowners and personal auto are worthless. All their money comes from the insurance required to run a business... ie workers comp, commercial auto, product liability, ag insurance, general liability, boiler and machinery, inland marine, etc.

They dont get much from people like us so I wouldn't worry too much about it... there inst a conspiracy to take your money. I promise.
 
Unless there Is a way to stop frivolous bull skank lawsuits.We will have no business left In this country.I hope the guy who got this 1 million gets nailed for a lawsuit. Fraggin creeps like him are why things are getting more laws,regulated,or made Illegal. Today's society and judicial system makes me sick to my stomach.
 
The problem lies in the mentality of a juror, or should I say the lack of it. Guess who awards these large sums....YOU, not directly, but people just like you and I. They sit there and see this poor guy and think...**** that company has tons of money and has insurance coverage...let's teach them a lesson. Never do they think where the money they give out comes from. I guarantee that in the end the consumer will pay the bill. Same thing taxing a business...when will Washington get it into their head that companies DON'T pay taxes. Show me one tax that is paid solely by a company or corporation.

TORT REFORM....TORT REFORM...TORT REFORM
 
boiled down, it's always been my thought that the insurance lobby will likely "get us" before vehicle & traffic laws do.

Yes I agree, as in the insurers driving legislation against what they see as liability. They already do that with wide influence.

yeah right... not a chance. Like I said, not enough money in it.

Have you ever tried to sell a PAP??? There is almost no money in it. Motorcycles are even less.

The real money is in Commercial auto. So... unless companies start using fleets of mb's, I doubt the insurance companies are going to put much thought in it.

Stop being so cheap and paranoid the insurance companies are just after YOUR money. Truth is that homeowners and personal auto are worthless. All their money comes from the insurance required to run a business... ie workers comp, commercial auto, product liability, ag insurance, general liability, boiler and machinery, inland marine, etc.

They dont get much from people like us so I wouldn't worry too much about it... there inst a conspiracy to take your money. I promise.

LOL, an opinion in search of a argument I guess. We all have the right to agree to disagree but I've always considered it relevant to know what was being disagreed with.

Forgive me for not being clear, my comment was referencing insurance underwriters becoming aware of the potential liability that attaching motors to bicycles might represent toward their policy holders. If MBs continue to become popular, and I think they will, incidence rates are bound to escalate. I'm seeing it happen and think it's just a matter of time before MBs show up on legislative radar screens. The insurance lobby already pretty much writes it's own legislation anyway, ready to extend a helping hand to your hardworking representatives, lol.
 
LOL, an opinion in search of a argument I guess. We all have the right to agree to disagree but I've always considered it relevant to know what was being disagreed with.

Forgive me for not being clear, my comment was referencing insurance underwriters becoming aware of the potential liability that attaching motors to bicycles might represent toward their policy holders. If MBs continue to become popular, and I think they will, incidence rates are bound to escalate. I'm seeing it happen and think it's just a matter of time before MBs show up on legislative radar screens. The insurance lobby already pretty much writes it's own legislation anyway, ready to extend a helping hand to your hardworking representatives, lol.

uhhh. ok.

You always claim I am looking for an argument... but that is exactly what you constantly do with me.

Case in point... this post.

Let me ask you a question. How many cars are on the road??? How many Mb's???

There will NEVER BE enough MB's on the road (or accidents caused by them) to justify a response from the insurance industry in any way... NEVER. There just isnt enough money in it or damage caused by them to justify it. I mean come on, how much damage can you cause with an MB??? I bet more damage is caused by shopping carts... dont see shopping cart insurance or massive lobbyist intervention on behalf of the insurance companies to get rid of shopping carts, do you?

I used to sell commercial lines..... no underwriter would waist their time on anything that had to do w/an MB.
 
uhhh. ok.

You always claim I am looking for an argument... but that is exactly what you constantly do with me.

Case in point... this post.

Really? Always/Constantly? LOL, gosh don't take this stuff so seriously.
In the two years I've been here I honestly don't recall anything particularly memorable in regards to your posts that would elicit that characterization.
There are several definitions to the word argument you know, e.g. :
1. quarrel or disagreement, 2. a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal........... I assure you my comment above was referring to the latter definition but whatever.

Let me ask you a question. How many cars are on the road??? How many Mb's???

There will NEVER BE enough MB's on the road (or accidents caused by them) to justify a response from the insurance industry in any way... NEVER. There just isnt enough money in it or damage caused by them to justify it. I mean come on, how much damage can you cause with an MB??? I bet more damage is caused by shopping carts... dont see shopping cart insurance or massive lobbyist intervention on behalf of the insurance companies to get rid of shopping carts, do you?

I used to sell commercial lines..... no underwriter would waist their time on anything that had to do w/an MB.

One thing quite apparent is the $1.1 million payout as referenced in the thread title story, bet some underwriter got that memo, lol.

Relax, enjoy yourself.
 
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This thread puts in a nut shell what is wrong with this Country these days.

Was talking about this last night with a friend. While we need avenues for recoarse when somebody does unjustified wrong, the only role our Government should play in our lives is for our protection and protection of our lands.

Hope I'm forgiven for throwing politics in here, but, the liberals have spun this clause of our Constitution too the point where, our protection, means wearing a seatbelt in your own car and providing an environment where we have more lawyers than craftsmen.

Everybody needs to remember this when voting, the sensative people need to get tossed from office and realize that there is a certain ammount of "RISK" associated with life!
 
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