150 mpg autos?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by bluegoatwoods, Jul 4, 2008.

  1. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    KCRW in Santa Monica has a program that was talking about the auto industry the other day. ("To the point". Warren Olney, host)
    One of his guests, an auto industry analyst, predicted 150 mpg plug-in hybrids in the near future.

    To me it sounds over-optimistic. But if true it could make our revolution fizzle.
    That would be kinda sad. But those would be great cars. I guess they'd probably be expensive, too. Starting out anyway. So maybe even if this is possible, we'll still see fewer autos and more scooters, motor assisted bicycles, etc. I guess that wouldn't be a bad compromise.

  2. kerf

    kerf Guest

    I wouldn't worry too much about 150 mpg cars. It takes X amount of energy to move Y mass and that isn't going to change. My bike only gets 135 mpg and it's much lighter than any car. Hybrids are only marginally better and total electric is still far far away. I saw a total electric Mini with a 160 mile range, that's good. The price was $60,000.00, that's bad, very bad. It will happen but for now, dino is still the only game in town.
  3. GasKicker

    GasKicker Member

    The people hurt the most by gas prices are the people like me with limited resources. (Mine are extremely limited due to the presence of an Ex-Wife). The vast majority of people are similarly limited. A $60k, $50K, $40k, etc... are no threat to our solution. If you can get a 150 mpg practical hybrib for under $2,000, That might pose a threat. How likely is that?
  4. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    You want a 150-200+ mpg hybrid auto? How good are you with tools? Depending upon your care in purchasing materials/mechanical components, you can have such a two seater for about $5K, plus your own work.

    Take a look at Robert Q Riley's XR-3. Riley has designed a number of make-it-yourself and kit cars over the last 30 years, and when he says the design will deliver a specific performance and a specific mileage, he's spot on. If I had access to a decent shop space, I'd build one myself.
  5. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    FOrget that. I know many folks who are OPEC free by collecting free waste vegetable oil and converting it to biodiesel and running it in their 45-50mpg VW TDIs. One guy I know in Denver, has 500 gallons of the stuff that cost him only 90 cents/gallon to make.
  6. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    How many deep fat fryers are there?

    Ever dealt with that stuff? Talk about messes! Not too mention, it bacterially degrades pretty quickly, producing some amazing smells and truly unbelievable sludge. Plus, lots of fast food type managers are just wage-lsaves, themselves. They are perfectly capable of seeing the value of that used oil - I've seen a couple stories recently of guys getting arrested for pumping the used oil from the restaraunt storage tanks - it's called theft, unless you bought it.
  7. stude13

    stude13 Active Member

    hi; july 3rd on cbc news out of vancouver canada, a story about shade trees building electric cars. there were pick-ups, economies and a porche 914, the guy said for 1,100 his rig had hit 160kph and never got it in 5th. he said his recharged in three hrs. for about one dollar. i think when new batteries are available this thing will go gang busters. screw those guys that estimate 20,000-60,000 price. those same bats. will make bikes a jammin idea. happy 4th mitch
  8. Take a Purist Hybrid and double up on the batteries. The results would be your using electricity more than gas. That equates to 100 mpg.
  9. Simon_A

    Simon_A Member

    On the British car show Top Gear back in season 1, they took a diesel Volvo and filled the tank with filtered cooking oil, which had an additive put in it.

    They thought it was a great joke, and ribbed the ****e out of the person doing it. But the thing ran, it started as normal and they drove it around their track for half of the show.
  10. Sianelle

    Sianelle Guest

    Here in NZ a test was run between a Pirus Hybrid and a 1960s Morris Minor (classic English car 948cc 4cylinder pushrod engine). When it came to gas consumption the hybrid was exactly the same as the Morris.

    I owned a 1954 Morris Minor for around 10 years and of course these test results cheered me up no end.
  11. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    Oh, biodeisel works just fine. It's just vegetable oil, really. The commonest source for it in the US is restaraunt deep fryer waste oil - lots of fast food joints, all with deep fryers. The thing is, oil once decanted and used for cooking is no longer sterile - it picks up a lot of organics and fine particulates from the cooking process, then as it cools and is stored in a grease trap and/or bulk oil stoage tank/container, bacterial growth takes off.

    To use it as fuel, it must be filtered, thoroughly, and still has a limited shelf life before it turns into a bacterial sludge. Buying virgin oil is problematic - in small quantities (in commercial terms, less than a tanker truck full), it gets expensive. Storing it in quantity I've addressed. Used oil is a commodity - due to a tax credit from the US gov't of $.50/gal of used vegetable oil blended into bio-enhanced petroleum fuels used for deisel, there has grown up a large market, with an infrastructure of small pumper trucks that visit restaraunts to empty their storage tanks (usually weekly) and the restaraunt is paid for the oil. Unless you have the means to pump and handle anywhere from 100 to 1,000 gallons at a time, it becomes rather a problem sourcing used oil.

    I used to run two VW Rabbit deisels - my wife's sedan, my pickup. I looked long and hard at biodeisel as a possible alternative fuel for our rigs, and that was in the early 90's, before the tax credits and the commodity market in used oil existed. I concluded it wasn't a viable return on the investment in equipment and my time.

    I'm not saying that it cannot be worthwhile, but it isn't a straightforward, easy-peasey process.
  12. b5125125

    b5125125 New Member

    I have HHO fuel cell in my 1985 Toyota that runs on regular not diesel and it has been getting about 38mpg not bad for such a old truck.

    It's not expensive to run or make, it only cost $60.00 and you just add water and salt. I've made that money back already.
  13. ChrisEddy

    ChrisEddy New Member

    Just a little FYI ... from a TreeHugger article.... Answering the question of which vehicle is more environmentally friendly... a Toyota Prius or a Hummer H1 over their respective lifespan (approx 10 years) and considering the energy/resources required to build, maintain, drive and finally recycle the vehicle at the end of it's lifespan - Guess which 1 wins? Hummer of course - including total pollutants (design, build, drive, dispose) released into the environment. Hybrids are a poor choice - but with battery technology lagging - they will probably be the only choice until full electric or another technology comes into being (and we have an electrical grid that could support all those vehicles). Kind of sad that even a "green" choice is nothing to boast about - other than actual fuel cost savings - until you buy your first battery pack that is :)
  14. JemmaUK

    JemmaUK Guest

    I wouldnt want to be him if he tries to sell that in the UK. So far as I know the Ford UK motor company still owns the right to the XR-3 name as it was a medium-toasty version of the Escort saloon - along with the XR-3i

    Looks cool though - if a little 'I' Robot' for my taste...

    Jemma xx
  15. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    It's not a production auto, Jemma. He designs and prototypes/debugs the design, then publishes plans for anyone who wants to build the, He has, in the past, licensed the designs for at least two of his cars to kit car suppliers, who produced body shells and subassemblies.

    I've built two of his designs in years past, and both (built as he specified)) performed as he claimed they would. The man knows what he is doing. As far as the name goes, "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."