2 stroke vs 4 stroke

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by Jason A, Mar 21, 2016.

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Which engine is better for me?

  1. 2 stroke

    60.0%
  2. 4 stroke

    40.0%
  1. Jason A

    Jason A New Member

    Hey guys, first post for me :)!
    I'm looking at building a my first motorized, and I have two totally different kits in mind.
    Either a 66cc 2.75 HP two-stroke, which costs $119 USD, or a 49cc 2.5 HP four-stroke, which runs $199 USD.
    Both are (obviously,) not super great engines, but I'm on a budget, just looking to have fun. Don't need practicality, as this is purely for fun, and I can ride on basically any terrain, (paved, gravel, grass, dirt, etc.)
    Which of these is better, and is it a good choice? Also, is a 44 tooth sprocket ideal for these varied conditions?
    Thanks for fielding my newbie questions!

    P. S. Other motor recommendations are welcome, too.‎
     

  2. butre

    butre Well-Known Member

    2 stroke if it's not for daily use.
     
  3. Purple Haze

    Purple Haze Active Member

    The 4 strokes are better for reliable, day to day tranportation, are more quiet, and less messy and smelly. That said, 2 strokes make more power, are cheaper to buy and work on, and their simplicity allows for easy mods. Aftermarket parts are plentiful and reasonably priced. Plus, they just look cool! I don't care for the lawnmower engine look of a 4 stroke. The fun factor alone makes this choice easy. The gearing is a personal choice, with terrain and top speed factors. I ride in hilly terrain, and use a 48 tooth sprocket to good effect, it'll pull your head off, but on the street it only runs about 25 mph.
     
  4. bakaneko

    bakaneko Active Member

    For fun go with a 2-stroke for all the reasons purple and butre has mentioned. Also, the HP comparisons (2.75 v 2.5HP) you have listed isn't entirely accurate. The stock 2-stroke and modded one has way more power than the 4-stroke stock. Also, you need to consider the bike you are using too. A 4-stroke is a wider and taller engine. Price conscientious and fun purpose wise I would go with the 2-stroke.
     
  5. libranskeptic

    libranskeptic Member

    dont trust my numbers, but some ~philosophy that may help here:

    you dont mention weight, a key factor, but the effect of savings depends on total bike load - u plus the bike.

    this favours 2 strokes - no valves and fancy head.

    2 strokes are maybe 30% more powerful in theory - double the power strokes

    either engines power is huge. 1 hp is ~730 watts? i think, and thats a very decent ebike. an ebike motor based on a common 25cc brush cutter motor is about that i think - small, light, cheap, mass produced quality & reliability

    single cylinder motors are inherently unbalanced & sound & feel crappy. done well, a 4 stroke will sound and feel much calmer to hear and ride.

    for suspension, just use big, not too hard, tires

    chainguard is important

    a hydraulic clutch sounds good if they exist - comments?

    this seems very cool



    Motorized Bicycle with Jackshaft Kit - ie - 7/8 gears
     
  6. Jason A

    Jason A New Member

    Dumb question, I know, but will a normal chain guard work? I see no reason why not, but I'd hate to order one and find out it doesn't fit...
     
  7. bakaneko

    bakaneko Active Member

    I haven't seen one kit that did not come with a chain guard. Also, the chain guard is optional. I rode 1500+ miles with no chain guard. For 2-strokes, I can imagine the chain guard adding a nasty rattle. I don't wear shoes with laces so no danger there and spray chain protector on my chain periodically.
     
  8. I would stay away from the 199.99 4 stroke chain drive the gear reduction is not enough i built a fat tire 4 stroke for a customer and he burned the clutch up in 3 hours of use with a 26inch tire and 44tooth sprocket its geared to go 45mph and the engine cant do that so ur clutch slipps and slipps till u overheat ur bushing and seize the gear box get the 7g(ghost racer)if u favor 4 stroke is goes 26mph with 26inch tire and 44tooth sprocket iv used it for 2 yrs and replaced only a belt
     
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  9. libranskeptic

    libranskeptic Member

    re chainguard, a chain on both sides sound fraught to me, the second one being far more treacherous.

    it seems right it should come with a kit

    given the drive is usually on the opposite side, a normal guard seems unlikely to fit.

    if u r not swapping sprockets for gearing, why not. A major bonus with IGHs (which suit a guard), it was pointed out to me, is dead simple chain lubing thru a hole in the guard after a big ride in the dirt.
     
  10. 45u

    45u Active Member

    When you run wider tires you are putting more wasted HP to the ground which will put a lot more strain on the motor and clutch this is why I like to say with a tire a little over 2 inches. The reason my first kit was a 2 cycle is because they make many hop ups for the 2 cycle and all most not for the 4 cycle. I will build a 4 cycle one day.
     
  11. libranskeptic

    libranskeptic Member

    my old bones fel the bumps after so screw a little power here and there. I mean, vs suspension, which is heavy (you lose over a kilo, net) & also chews power, and has delayed effect, unlike give at the point of contact with a bump.
     
  12. 45u

    45u Active Member

    That is why I have suspension in the front and a good big spring seat and thinner tires. Not only does the contact patch of the tire eat up HP but rotating weight is all so a BIG HP eater much more then you many think. At 61 and over 200 pounds I need all the little bits of HP I can get.
    Jeff
     
  13. KCvale

    KCvale Motorized Bicycle Vendor

    2-stroke hands down.
    Lighter and smaller and it won't matter to your job when it breaks.
    It will be a hobby toy that will need a lot of fixing.

    When you want reliable and easy to operate and maintain that's where 4-stroke rule in so many ways.
    They run on regular gas, have a pull start, far less vibration, and an automatic clutch.
     
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  14. libranskeptic

    libranskeptic Member

    Yes, bikes are incredibly subjective. all opinions are subject, among many things, very much to the total mass carried. a kilo more matters little to you at 200+ pounds vs my 150 lbs~.

    my alloy MTB with suspension max load is 120 kg, so even I would just scrape in on a motorized such bike.

    I still like a bike i can lift/heft tho.

    It probably helps to be more asian size :). they are the main target market for bikes, not we westerners.

    I have been astonished how light my MTB wheels are rather than their weight. am skeptical bigger tires add much.

    a wacky thought I had, as mostly i take bumps sort of standing, was wear pump up sneakers, or a pedal shaped pneumatic cushion over pedals~.
     
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