Almost busted

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by Gary Player, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. Gary Player

    Gary Player New Member

    Today i was riding my 80 cc bike having a great time here in winnipeg on a beautiful day when a police officer pulls me over and informs me my bike is illegal,he tells me he can give me a fine of $655.00 and tow my bike away,so with a few yes sir no sirs i got off with a warning.So i dont know what i will do ,i sure the heck dont want a fine off $655.00.
     

  2. grinningremlin

    grinningremlin Active Member

    On the bright side, must be low crime area if they have time to hassle you.I'd check laws, may be able to lower your CC's and get away with it (though cops hate to be told the law), 49cc is the usual limit in USA.I'm assuming you have a frame-mount, a rack-mount can be disguised, with a well hidden kill switch in the bars and pedal like crazy when you THINK you see an cop-aroonie.
     
  3. Gary Player

    Gary Player New Member

    I will look into the legality of gas bikes here in winnipeg to see what is allowed ,i love my bike i have gone everywhere with this bike and had no problems till now.The cop who pulled me over said he was at a accident where these kinds of bikes had fell apart,must have been a $50.00 bike as mine is of good quality, but there was no use in arguing with him,i was happy to get off with a warning.The cop also mentioned to be legal you would have to have all the safety equipment of a scooter like lights and horn etc.I had a scooter and sold it as i thought it was unsafe because not being able to keep up to traffic cars would pass me all the time.With the scooter you have to take up a lane like a motorcycle ,and with my gas bike i would stay off to the side and cars could pass no problem which in my mind is way safer than cars speeding up and crossing the white line to pass me.The other thing i enjoy with the gas bike was driving off road where scooters are not allowed legally.I have a 49 cc kit also but the cop never asked what size it was so i dont think it mattered to him.
     
  4. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

    In Australia, (and if the police want to push the law to the limit) you can get a series of fines totaling around $6,000, but in reality they can issue tickets worth around $2,000 without any problems.

    Seems seriously disproportionate to the simple crime of having a small engine in a bicycle.
     
  5. tooljunkie

    tooljunkie Member

    pretty much under federal highway traffic act,they are illegal throughout canada.
    i ride in the country,mostly gravel.RCMP havent got to me yet,but it will happen.
    i do know riding on a provincial trunk highway is a big no-no,so i stick to the municipal and provincial roads.
    i'm curious to see what you find out.
     
  6. Gary Player

    Gary Player New Member

    I found out they are illegal in canada, it is considered to be the same as driving a uninsured unregistered vehicle so that sucks. So i removed my motor and i am now using my bionx electric bike which is completely legal here.Electric bikes are legal as long as they are not more than 500 watts and dont exceed 32 kilometers an hour.The nice thing about electric is it so quiet,the bad thing is they are expensive to purchase with the battery.To replace my battery from bionx it is $1,000.00 new, but i can get it rebuilt here for under $200.00.
     
  7. tooljunkie

    tooljunkie Member

    this is such a confusing subject here in manitoba.
    Deathproof went to mpi,they told them it was legal to ride if it was under 50cc.over requires moped licence and safety equipment.
    im under the impression federal law is rescinding the regs regarding mab's and to let provincial/municiplalities regulate them.
    nothing clearly states motorized bicycles are not permitted on roadways.
     
  8. grinningremlin

    grinningremlin Active Member

    Before I bought my F/D I researched everything to death.In those searches I saw many pics of people disguising their F/D's very well.One was blocked from view with large panniers, a modified rack, and some mesh screen ( rider was worried about theft, thought the disguise made his bike less "shiny" to thieves), one was housed in the old style milk crate (I believe MB's were illegal in his parts), it was a neat build, and just "homemade" enough looking that unless he had a smoky/loud engine I don't see anyone spotting him while moving.
    You could do a combo with your E-bike, say with a disguised bumblebee bolt-on and have one crazy efficient ride; before you get into town kill the petrol motor and hit the electric, get out of town and rev up, run out of one use the other,... you get the idea.
     
  9. Gary Player

    Gary Player New Member

    The cop who pulled me over noticed how fast i was going and that is how he first noticed me ,i was going about 26 mph.So disguising the bike would not have worked in this instance.I probably could go through all the trouble to get my bike licensed as a scooter as the cop told me he knows of 1 person who did, but the problem with being licensed like a scooter is you would have to obey the laws of a scooter and not drive on trails or the side of the road,you would have to take up a lane on the street and not drive on the shoulder or bike paths which to me = no fun.I would much rather drive my bike wherever mountains bikes are allowed.So i drive my electric bike and get no hassles,just not as fun or as fast,but there are faster electric bikes out there maybe by next summer i will get another e-bike that is faster.
     
  10. grinningremlin

    grinningremlin Active Member

    Oh well, just an idea.Such a drag, I'd be all over electric if it had the range/low weight.I also fly RC, live in a high "fire danger" area and can't consider switching to lipo because of their inherent unstable nature, so it's wet fuel for me.
     
  11. thearcticfisherman

    thearcticfisherman New Member

    that sucks :( Here in wisconsin we can have up to 150cc but bike cant go over 30 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
     
  12. Gary Player

    Gary Player New Member

    Thanks any way for the ideas,i really loved my gas bike i had so much fun with it and i hated to remove the engine but a fine of $655.00 and get it towed away is just to much of a gamble. The police should go after criminals and let people trying to enjoy summer by taking a bike ride alone.I mean really what was i doing to break the law ,maybe i had to big of a smile on my face from pure enjoyment.Hope you dont get bothered too.
     
  13. pedalman

    pedalman Member

    With lipo you get the range/low weight and SPEED also, lead/acid is prehistoric compared to lipo, but I think the dangers are over-stated, but please always better safe than sorry.

    But I like my gas bike also,especially after making it more silent. SILENCE IS GOLDEN
    GOING SLOW IS GOLDEN ALSO w/pedaling,haven't been bothered yet so far.
     
  14. tooljunkie

    tooljunkie Member

    i was in winnipeg a few weeks ago,ten minutes in-i see a dude ridin a MAB powered by a china girl.
    he crossed through the intersection i was stopped at.
    there are people riding mab's in winnipeg.
     
  15. Gary Player

    Gary Player New Member

    Yes i seen quite a few people with gas bikes.But i guess they never met the cop i met i think his name was dudley do right.It is to bad the cops here would rather stop me from riding my bike than actually stop a real criminal.
     
  16. Dave E

    Dave E New Member

    Your lucky there Gary, here in Australia we are limited to 50cc and 200 watts of power and if we are caught out bikes are confiscated and over $1000 fine, the mongrels.
    Dave.
     
  17. Gary Player

    Gary Player New Member

    So in Australia the 50 cc. is legal that is good ,the 50cc has almost the same power as the 80,i would be happy with the 50 cc if it were allowed here without the scooter license as the cop told me has knows of 1 person who went through the hassle of getting his bike road legal as a scooter but then legally you couldn't drive it everywhere like a bike so to just drive it on the city streets would suck.I had a scooter wasn't fun it was dangerous.
     
  18. Ludwig II

    Ludwig II Member

    The law here treats 50cc or below as a moped up to 28mph design speed, or 16mph if it's a Low Powered Moped (1kw/1.33bhp).

    I have a friend building one, and I intend having a friction driver as well, and they'll both have to go through the Single Vehicle Approval examination.

    50cc that goes over 28mph is instantly a motorcycle, with more rules and requirements.
     
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