An Arizona letter-writing campaign

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by loquin, Mar 18, 2008.

  1. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    I've written this letter to the mayor and all council members in the cities of Mesa and Gilbert, AZ. Scottsdale and Tempe are next.

    If you are an Arizona member here, I would urge you to take the time to look up the city government officials of the towns where you might find yourself riding, and request (in a persuasive manner :shock:...) that they pass fair city ordinances to enhance Arizona revised statute 28-2516.

    I'm HOPING to get the towns to pass ordinances which define a motorized bicycle speeding fines. Believe me, this is MUCH better than the alternative. (Just ask Torques!)

    Here's what I sent to Gilbert. If you like, use it as a model for your own email.

    (I'll also follow up with the EMail addresses for other east valley cities & towns)

    The point about dual brakes is a 'bone' to toss the officials, emphasizing concern for safe operation. Most of us should already have front and rear brakes, anyway.

    Just replace town of _____ with your town/city target.
     
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  2. loquin

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    loquin Active Member

    City of Chandler

    Mayor&Council@chandleraz.gov
     
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  9. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    me n azvinnie already went thru court here
    we got charged under a city code dealing with 'motorized play vehicles'
    (it bans gopeds, pocketbikes, go-carts)
    we represented ourselves and prevailed
    we have a written decision by the local judge saying we are cool as long as we stay under 20
    dealing with it took 2 months and i am not sure i want to stir THAT pot again
     
  10. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    The reason I'm trying to get cities & towns which already haven't got motorized bike regulations on the books, is to be proactive. I woulld like to get them to to add reasonable regulations, but with wording to fine someone who exceeds 20 with a speeding ticket, rather than an unregistered/uninsured moped ticket. You could easily COAST down a hill faster than 20 mph...

    Unfortunately, Torques' case set a precedent here... and, NOT a good one for us.
     
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  11. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    the speed was the thing he most serious about
    under=good
    over= not mb
     
  12. Torques

    Torques Guest

    I never got a "speeding ticket". The court seems to believe if you go over 20 you are a moped up to 25 and over that you are a motorcycle. The apple is an apple under 20, then becomes an orange over that, then a banana over 25.
     
  13. loquin

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    Torques, I know you didn't get a speeding ticket. And, THAT's the problem. IF we could get towns to just fine us for speeding if we go over 20, I can live with it.
     
  14. Torques

    Torques Guest

    And I must also say, I was NOT going over twenty miles per hour. That's the worst part of this. That cop told multiple lies about his interaction with me.
     
  15. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    Unfortunately, Torques, even if the situation was such that you only got a fine for speeding, you would still be getting screwed with that cop's lies. But, you wouldn't have had all the carp that goes with the "unlicensed/uninsured moped" B.S.

    Again. I'm just trying to influence the towns which haven't yet implemented any regulations, so that we WON'T get nailed for the B.S. of riding an unlicensed moped if we happen to be going over 20 MPH. To implement a standard that ONLY charges us with speeding if we going over 20.

    If I get caught speeding, then, while I wouldn't like it, I could accept paying a fine for speeding. But, to get a nailed with more than a thousand dollars in fines for riding a bike (NOT a Moped) at speeds where some peddle-pushed bikes are passing me is just outrageous.

    I don't think that the status quo in AZ is fair or just for us. In addition to trying to influence the town & city governments, we should also look at a campaign to try to get the state law amended. To change it from the top down. The letter above is an attempt to influence the enforcement from the bottom up.
     
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  16. Torques

    Torques Guest

    Well, they are trying to say that an orange becomes an apple when it exceeds 20 mph, then the apple becomes a banana after it exceeds 25 mph. It called ipsy dixit, the magic wand from the corrupt, dishonest, judges, prosecutors and cops in Nazisdale. A bicycle with a motor attached to it is not a motor vehicle, it's still a bicycle, no matter how fast it goes. It has a serial number NOT a vin number as a motor vehicle does. Bicycle manufacture is monitored by the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission), bicycles are considered consumer products. The CPSC's work is to ensure the safety of consumer products - such as toys, cribs, bicycles, power tools, refrigerators, cigarette lighters, and household chemicals among many other items.
     
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  17. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    I agree, Torques. If a lot of people send EMails to the city governments, maybe we can influence their enforcement of the law to NOT include the magic mushroom legal theory of motorized bicycles. That they magically change their spots at 21 mph and 26 mph... (or, in your case, at 17 mph!)
     
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  18. astring

    astring Member

    I am in Glendale and I am tinking about a MB (over 50cc). s I understand it I need ins and a $5 tag. Is that correct?
     
  19. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    After much thought and pondering, I don't believe it would be right to give us a speeding ticket for going, let's say 25 in a 35 mph zone. Based on the legality of not really speeding over the 35 limit. Perhaps a driving in a dangerous manner might be more appropriate. Or something along those lines. But a speeding ticket, I don't think I agree with.
     
  20. Torques

    Torques Guest

    Technically, you can go any speed on it. There is not one word in Arizona law about a speed limit on a motorized bicycle.
     
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