Day #1 and I'm bummed

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by BTB Wild, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. BTB Wild

    BTB Wild Guest

    I just joined this forum and was so excited to select and assemble my first motorized bicycle until I read the legal stuff. I can assure you ( with 99% certainty as a life-long resident of this state) that Pennsylvania will restrict and crack down on these bikes. This state sucks the life out of you.
    Now I'm re-thinking the entire idea. I may purchase a TOMOS moped with some assurance that I can ride legally once I jump through the legal hoops of registration, insurance etc. Oh well................
     

  2. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    Before you give up. I'm not sure how adventurous/rebellious you are, but somewhere there's pics of a bike with a milk crate mounted on a rack on the back. You might want to consider something like that. I'll look and see if I can find the thread.
     
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  3. BTB Wild

    BTB Wild Guest

    I hear ya........

    I thought about cutting the bottom out of a bike bag to disguise the engine ( while not running) but of course I need to disguise the engine while running.
    I'd be interested to see some ideas.
    So far everything I've looked at that I like is in the $600+ range. A few hundred $$ more and I have a new TOMOS moped. Something tells me I'm not quite ready to let the bike idea go however.:lol:
    Noise DB might be just as important. I'm going to read about that quiet MIT engine Staton offers etc. Quieter engine, kill switch and motor under cover might be worth the gamble.
     
  4. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    Darn. I'm having trouble finding those pictures. Maybe someone else will know where they are, or perhaps you can find them. But, what the heck, use your imagination. Wouldn't your bike look good with a milk crate sitting on a Staton or GEBE mount, going down the road at 25 -30?
     
  5. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    I run a 43cc Mitsu from Staton. A weed eater kinda sounds like a weed eater. It's reasonably quiet, but a cop standing there will hear it if you don't kill it brfore you ride up to him. Most cops in cars have the windows up. They won't hear you. Just remember to pedal when you're around them. Smile and wave. They may be impressed with how fast you can ride.
     
  6. BTB Wild

    BTB Wild Guest

    I have a full suspension GT mountain bike and here in W Pennsylvania my reason for the engine is hill climbing. ( or hill climb assist... but I like the former:smile:
    So I'd be looking at a kit that puts out low speed torque as quiet as possible.
    My knobby tire full suspension bike is not built for speed ( with me on it anyway)
    As promised I'm a newbie that won't be asking dumb questions (before I do my research) but FWIW I like what I see in those Staton kits. If I went the GE route I thought about mounting 2 drive rings ( both sides of the wheel) and attach the two together with bolts ( low torque) to distribute the engine torque to all spokes and avoid some of the problems I've read about with spokes breaking etc.
    I'd also be interested in mods to this drive ring if anyone has figured out a fix. ( don't want to spend big $$ on a new wheel) So far I like the Staton and the apparent ease, simplicity and light weight features the Golden eagle set-up offers.
     
  7. turbo/chaos

    turbo/chaos Guest

    yeah the smile and wave works man i tell you
    i had the best, what was that look face from a cop
    when he whent by he was hitting his raydar gun like it was broken
    LOL man that was the best and funnyist thing i have seen
     
  8. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    If you're interested in the Staton, I'd advise you to go with the chain drive. You can gear it for hill climbing, and you can get a wheel from them with a freewheel gear and heavy spokes (Pretty cheap if you buy it with the motor). Of course, all this is just MHO.
     
  9. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    BTB- The easiest, least hassle wheel/spoke issue on GEBE is taken care of by using 12gauge from the get go.

    The cost for your "doublering" idea (and the ring would not clear the chain anyway) is about the same as getting a new 12 gauge steel wheel ($30-40).

    As to legalities....these are Motor Assisted bicycles, you've read all the differences with Mo-Peds.

    A unique strategy might be "getting a note from your doctor", a prescribed recommendation for exercise.

    I have NEVER had a cop ask me anything, and I've passed thousands now. In your local area, if you practice courtesy, there might be ZERO hassling.

    If you had such a "physician prescribed M-B regimen", the very first time an event happens, the note could get them adjusted to your presence, word would spread to brother officers, and you could probably gain immunity.

    Radical idea, I know, but if somebody in the more rigid states, like PA and NY, got a clever solution AND put up a little resistance, it might become THE LEGAL COMEBACK.

    Like Dax, I'm of the radical MB wing, and IF any officer hassled me, I'd be hollering "Bring On a JURY", see if I couldn't at least convince citizens that government shouldn't get in the way of MB.research.
     
  10. srdavo

    srdavo Active Member

    and the next thing you might be hollering is "Why am I face down on the ground, with your knee on my neck, Officer?" :cry: :lol:

    he might even have a new Tazer to try out....and the pepper spray is a gimme!

    :p
     
  11. BTB Wild

    BTB Wild Guest

    And another Issue

    Let's say I'm wearing a flagger vest, chaser light and slow vehicle triangle on the back of the bike. Maybe add an orange flag etc. Assume I look like a mobile sherbert vendor.:cool: I've maxed out safety and visibility.
    OK, now let's say I'm involved in an accident ( plowed in to) on the MB versus a street legal moped. As I lie there dying, the MB scrutinized by authorities, no matter what the circumstance the accident would be my fault for riding an illegal vehicle. If this happened while on a moped the authorities might ask " how could a motorist NOT see this guy ?!" I might have legal recourse to have insurance pay all damages ( personal and property) wheras I'd end up in jail on the MB ( that is to say if I survived)
    See why I'm bummed out? I can assure you the accident would not be my fault and the outcomes would be very different indeed.:cry:
     
  12. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Well, if you had on all that garb, but no engine, you'd be treated like a bicyclist, which is exactly what we are doing, exercising EXTREME caution amongst vehicles, then slipping to the sidestreets and backroads and grinnin' like bandits !

    Your money, your call....
     
  13. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Yea, walking through the valley, shadow of death, yadda yadda, fear no weasel.
     
  14. BTB Wild

    BTB Wild Guest

    Here's what I think I'm going to do.......purchase a new TOMOS moped and get my title, plate and insurance. Always wanted one anyhow. THEN, I will motorize a couple of bikes. I'll use the plate on whichever bike I decide to ride. All bikes will be stripped of the original decals and I'll use TOMOS stickers, artwork whatever. In other words, ANY bike I ride is the TOMOS as far as I'm concerned. Who will know the difference? And if caught.."Oops....I'm awaiting several plates for various vehicles and must have mixed them up" ;)
     
  15. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    hehe...but i'm not so sure i'd be publishing that strategy...we're starting to attract a lot of attention.
     
  16. BTB Wild

    BTB Wild Guest

    Well...the good riding weather will only last about a month. The wife urges me to hold off on the TOMOS so I might as well motorize a bike first. Waiting for GEBE to get the Tanaka 2 strokes in so I can make a decision and place the order.
     
  17. PA is ok

    I live outside Harrisburg Pa. & have been riding my bikes for about 2 years.
    I've had 1 township cop say something to me about it. I've been past lots of cops & most wave to me even the state police. This motorized bike thing is a real grey area !
    good luck/ mikey-bikey mike:grin:
     
  18. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    i really think our success is going to rely solely on how we mind our manners while on the road...grey areas can go black real fast. sometimes a black zone can be lightened up by a well-mannered & -equipped motoredbiker showing how nice it all really is. make people think...about something positive for a change.
     
  19. smapadatha

    smapadatha Guest

    Well...

    1) Ride safe and obey the rules of the road. Common sense tells us that the smaller vehicle has to make way for the larger vehicle.
    2) After a brief perusal, it seems that your state does not distinguish between a moped and a motorized bicycle. That seems to mean that you can have a motorized bicycle, totally legit with no problems, as long as you follow the rules for a moped. See:

    http://search.state.pa.us/query.html?style=dmv04&qt=moped&other=opt:whole+opt:and

    and especially:

    http://search.state.pa.us/cs.html?c...heets/fs-momo.pdf&qt=moped&col=dot4&n=2&la=en

    3) But see also:

    Marshall v. Ortiz
    Brazoria Co., Texas, Dist. Ct., No. 40853 (3/13/07)

    Plaintiff, 45, a pilot, was driving a motorized bicycle eastbound on the shoulder of a road when he was struck by a sedan and thrown some 50 to 75 feet down the road.

    The plaintiff received $2,649,405.

    But item #1 above is the best.

    -Sam
     
  20. davidsis

    davidsis Guest

    Hey, maybe you could dress your engine up like a baby, and put it in one of those baby seats.