Electric (and gas) Bicycle Bill advances in Illinois!

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by Crosshair, Mar 31, 2009.

  1. Crosshair

    Crosshair New Member

    Electric Bike Bill Advances | activetrans.org

    SB 236, sponsored by Sen. Heather Steans (D-Chicago) would clarify Illinois law to state that cyclists on electric bikes that are operated at no more than 20 miles per hour shall have the same rights and responsibilities as all other cyclists.

    This bill was prompted by some incidents with police telling cyclists they must get drivers licenses for electric bikes. The bill passed out of the Senate Transportation Committee and now proceeds to the full Senate.


    Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for SB0236

    Bill Status of SB0236 96th General Assembly

    Senate Sponsors
    Sen. Heather Steans


    Synopsis As Introduced
    Amends the Illinois Vehicle Code.

    Defines a low-speed electric bicycle as a 2 or 3-wheeled device with fully operable pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts (one horsepower), whose maximum speed on a paved level surface, when powered solely by such a motor while ridden by an operator who weighs 170 pounds, is less than 20 miles per hour.

    Excludes low-speed electric bicycles from the definition of "motor vehicle".

    Provides that a person may operate a low-speed electric bicycle only if the person has a valid current Illinois driver's license, regardless of classification, and the person is at least 16 years of age.

    Prohibits operation of a low-speed electric bicycle at a speed greater than 20 miles per hour upon any highway, street, or roadway.

    Prohibits operation of a low-speed electric bicycle on a sidewalk.

    Provides that, except as otherwise provided, the provisions of the Article of the Code dealing with bicycles also apply to low-speed electric bicycles.



    Senate Committee Amendment No. 1
    Adds reference to:
    625 ILCS 5/1-140.15 new

    Replaces everything after the enacting clause with the original bill as introduced and makes the following changes.

    Adds a definition for a "low-speed gas bicycle" and treats a low-speed gas bicycle the same as a low-speed electric bicycle in a provision regulating the use of low-speed bicycles and a provision excluding low-speed bicycles from the definition of a motor vehicle.

    Removes the requirement that a person have a valid current Illinois driver's license to operate an electric bicycle.





    And then there is this helmet law in the works for Motorcyclist which includes "motorized pedalcycle". I don't know if this will apply to the electric/gas bicycles that they are planning to exclude from the definition of "motor vehicle" above.

    Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for SB1351

    Synopsis As Introduced
    Amends the Illinois Vehicle Code to require every operator and passenger on a motorcycle, motor driven cycle, or motorized pedalcycle to wear a helmet that meter federal safety standards.

    Senate Committee Amendment No. 1
    Provides that the helmet must be properly fastened under the person's chin with a chin strap.


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  2. Alaska42

    Alaska42 New Member

    Gas???

    I dont see anything about gas bikes there anywhere????
     
  3. Crosshair

    Crosshair New Member

    It is in the Senate Committee Amendment No. 1

    Adds reference to:
    625 ILCS 5/1-140.15 new

    Replaces everything after the enacting clause with the original bill as introduced and makes the following changes.

    Adds a definition for a "low-speed gas bicycle" and treats a low-speed gas bicycle the same as a low-speed electric bicycle in a provision regulating the use of low-speed bicycles and a provision excluding low-speed bicycles from the definition of a motor vehicle.
     
  4. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    hope that it all goes through smoothly

    that's the best MB news of the day

    ride the motor bike
     
  5. mabman

    mabman Member

    Usually gas gets a 30mph top speed versus 20 for electric, it would be a shame to lose that.
     
  6. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    Did I understand right? Is this saying that (if it passes and becomes law) both electric and gas powered bikes will be legally defined as the equivalent of bicycles?

    This is great new!

    Illinois is known as corrupt and recently has been something of a laughing stock.
    But for all that, Springfield occasionally shows some good, progressive thinking.
     
  7. crazycrawler

    crazycrawler Member

    Bicycle Bill

    They should revisit the bill and change the provision to 30 mph for gas powered bicycles. 20 mph is barely moving.

    C
     
  8. mabman

    mabman Member

    Yeah it looks like gas is going to get the brunt of this one "Adds a definition for a "low-speed gas bicycle" and treats a low-speed gas bicycle the same as a low-speed electric bicycle in a provision regulating the use of low-speed bicycles" and that looks like a drop in the limit speed to 20 which would be a real pita.
     
  9. Crosshair

    Crosshair New Member

    Then again ... there is this other bill that already passed in the House and is now in the Senate - HB1181 http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...=HB&LegID=42875&SessionID=76&GA=96&SpecSess=0

    They are basically drawing a line in the sand:
    ** Motorized under 20 mph = must be at least 16 years old and no license/title/registration needed.
    ** Motorized over 20 mph = License, title and registration required.

    Synopsis As Introduced
    Amends the Illinois Vehicle Code.

    Renames a "motorized pedalcycle" as a "moped" throughout the Illinois Vehicle Code and 2 Sections of the Cycle Rider Safety Training Act.

    Redefines "moped" as a motor-driven cycle, with or without optional power derived from manually operated pedals, whose speed attainable in one mile is at least 20 mph but not greater than 30 mph, and is equipped with a motor that produces 2 brake horsepower or less. (rather than a motor-driven cycle whose speed attainable in one mile is 30 mph or less, which is equipped with a motor that produces 2 brake horsepower or less).

    Provides that the Secretary may provide an expedited process for the issuance of vehicle titles. Provides that expedited title applications must be delivered to the Secretary of State's Vehicle Services Department in Springfield and provides time requirements for processing those applications. Provides that the cost for expedited title services is $30 and all fees collected by the Secretary of State for expedited services will be deposited into the Motor Vehicle License Plate Fund. Provides that the registration fee paid by any vehicle owner who has been approved for benefits under the Senior Citizens and Disabled Persons Property Tax Relief and Pharmaceutical Assistance Act, or who has claimed and received a grant under that Act, or who is the spouse of such a person shall be $24 instead of the fee otherwise provided for specified types of vehicles. Deletes outdated language referring to senior citizen vehicle registration fees.
     
  10. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    Even that second alternative is acceptable, if not desirable.

    After all, these bikes are small (compared to mopeds) and we can make it look like about 20 is all it's capable of.

    And I think that if these bikes are doing 30, then they are going to be viewed as motorcycles. I'm not saying that I totally agree with that, but that's the reality.
     
  11. ArmyCiv1

    ArmyCiv1 New Member

    A good friend of mine happens to be a states attorney in Mercer county. I have her looking into it for us. Should have a answer by Monday afternoon.
     
  12. BikeBillboards

    BikeBillboards New Member

    What a big ado about NOTHING. Make Life SIMPLE. Roll yer gas bikes in Oklahoma!
     
  13. Warner

    Warner Member

    Once (IF) gas and electric bikes become legal, do you guys really think cops are going to be pointing radar guns at people on bicycles? I highly doubt it......

    Warner
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2009
  14. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    Actually, Warner, I think that enforcing the speed limit is exactly what they ought to do.

    For those of you who like over-twenty, I'm sorry. I don't like to go against the wishes of my friends.

    But if these things are ridden fast, then over-regulation and (more likely) illegalization becomes inevitable. (and after all, it's not so hard to get a motorcycle. safer, too.)

    These bikes should be ridden slowly.
     
  15. sangesf

    sangesf Banned

    EXACTLY!!!
     
  16. Warner

    Warner Member


    To each his own, I suppose. If my bike was only capable of 20mph, it would hardly be usable to me. I certainly wouldn't bother riding it to work and back, 20 miles each way. If someone wants to keep their speed down to 20 or less, that's great...and perfectly fine with me. When they want to tell me that I have to do what they do, that's where I have a little problem. I don't believe that laws protect people...they only punish those who break them (when they are caught and properly charged). Common sense and good judgement are what protects people.

    As far as making MAB's illegal....they already ARE illegal in Illinois. I've owned (and raced) several motorcycles and they are fine, but I had WAY more close calls (and 3 crashes, too) on motorcycles than I have on my 30mph bicycle, not to mention the cost of purchasing, maintaining, licensing, and insuring a motorcycle. The simplicity, efficiency, and total cost of ownership of the MAB is what attracted me.


    Warner
     
  17. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    Well, you make an excellent point about simplicity, efficency and total cost.
    It does make these things very attractive.

    But your trouble is not that people like me are going to try to tell you how fast to go. I advise only. I don't claim any right to order people around. The trouble is the people in Springfield (and Cook County or Chicago, for that matter) deciding that you shouldn't be able to ride that thing. (To quote the MountainMan). They really are a bit too eager to say NO! Especially since we don't have a whole lot of sympathy from the folks who are still addicted to the automobile.

    That's what makes our position so precarious.

    On the other hand, there are states like Arizona who have a more level-headed view of these things. That's at least a bit hopeful.

    I definitely wish you the best of luck. If it is possible to make a bicycle safe at 35 mph, then I hope they at least have the sense to make a legal mechanism for registration. The problem is that they so often don't show the proper sense. But let's hope and lobby.
     
  18. Crosshair

    Crosshair New Member

    Please sign here Governor Quinn

    Last Action
    Date = 5/7/2009
    Chamber = Senate
    Action = Passed Both Houses

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...0&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=40816&SessionID=76&GA=96

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ful...s=0&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=0236&GAID=10&Session=


    Synopsis As Introduced
    Amends the Illinois Vehicle Code.

    The term "low-speed electric bicycle" has the same meaning ascribed to it by Section 38 of the Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C. Sec. 2085).

    Defines a low-speed electric bicycle as a 2 or 3-wheeled device with fully operable pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts (one horsepower), whose maximum speed on a paved level surface, when powered solely by such a motor while ridden by an operator who weighs 170 pounds, is less than 20 miles per hour.

    Excludes low-speed electric bicycles from the definition of "motor vehicle".

    Provides that a person may operate a low-speed electric bicycle only if the person is at least 16 years of age.

    Prohibits operation of a low-speed electric bicycle at a speed greater than 20 miles per hour upon any highway, street, or roadway.

    Prohibits operation of a low-speed electric bicycle on a sidewalk.

    Provides that, except as otherwise provided, the provisions of the Article of the Code dealing with bicycles also apply to low-speed electric bicycles.



    Senate Committee Amendment No. 1
    Adds reference to:
    625 ILCS 5/1-140.15 new

    Replaces everything after the enacting clause with the original bill as introduced and makes the following changes.

    Adds a definition for a "low-speed gas bicycle" and treats a low-speed gas bicycle the same as a low-speed electric bicycle in a provision regulating the use of low-speed bicycles and a provision excluding low-speed bicycles from the definition of a motor vehicle.

    Removes the requirement that a person have a valid current Illinois driver's license to operate an electric bicycle.
     
  19. crazycrawler

    crazycrawler Member

    Electric (and gas) Bicycle Bill in Illinois

    Is there still a limit to 50cc's in this bill or are the only restrictions 1hp or less, 20 mph or less, no DL required? I'd like to put an old cast iron Briggs engine on a bike like we used to years ago. I believe they were 1 hp but slightly over 50cc 4 stroke engines. If I could keep the throttle under 20 I wonder if this would now be legal with this new bill?

    C
     
  20. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    This is looking good. If the final bill is the Senate version, then it seems that we will have a definite legal okay to operate these.

    Good news!
     
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