EPA Approved SkyHawk Vs. Starfire

Discussion in 'Spare Parts, Tools & Product Developement' started by birddog, Jan 25, 2008.

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Skyhawk 2 Stroke or Starfire 2 Stroke?

  1. Skyhawk

    10 vote(s)
    55.6%
  2. Starfire

    5 vote(s)
    27.8%
  3. I don't like 2 strokes

    3 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. birddog

    birddog Guest

    The new EPA approved 2-strokes are ready for production. Who likes the Skyhawk brand and who prefers the Starfire? Feel free to share your past experiences and opinions and tell us why you liked one or the other--or why you didn't.
     

  2. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    perhaps it would be better if we knew what the difference is
    I have no clue which is which
     
  3. wayde

    wayde Guest

    can someone define the differences
     
  4. Yes, that would definitely help.......

    Andrew
     
  5. wayde

    wayde Guest

  6. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    if he's trying to sell me something, he should supply the information
     
  7. HI,

    Thanks for the links, while I am not sure if it is EPA approved.....I believe you would have an instant hit if you could bring us an optioned out Super Rat motor with the racing pipe (see Grubee site....since they export the same line of engines just a different model).... It may even be so good that you could convert the hard core 4 strokers out there with this engine!
    Andrew
     
  8. Hollywood

    Hollywood Guest

    Josh, I have used both engine kits.The quality of Skyhawk is much better. Don't the new EPA Shyhawk Gen ll have the 45 deg. head?
     
  9. birddog

    birddog Guest

    Hi All,

    I purposely omitted any comparison and personal bias as I wanted to get uninfluenced opinions by those members that have had personal experience with one make or the other--or both. I understand that many members will not have first hand experience with either one. However, I was hoping that those who do, would comment and share their thoughts and preferences.

    What I have in mind is a new edition of 2 stroke kit (EPA approved) that has all the bells and whistles. Upgrades and premium options all the way across the board including the super rat racing pipe. This would be an elite premium kit instead of just the cheapest package that China can throw together.

    My dilemma is that there are 2 factories (SkyHawk and StarFire) that can produce this kit. While I have some biases for each, I want to gather the input of the masses so that I can deliver the product that is desired most my the people that are going to be using it.

    Hollywood: The new StarFire Gen II has the new angled fire head for the 2 stroke. As far as I know the only SkyHawk Gen II is the 4 stroke.
     
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  10. Hollywood

    Hollywood Guest

    Josh, Im hoping you import one of the new EPA 2-strokes.I went to the Grube site and i real like the looks of the StarFire.I took 3 bikes to a big rod and custom show here this last weekend.One of the bikes was one of the new 4-strokes that i got from you on a new Schwinn Alloy SS.The response i get from people is that it looks like a lawn mower engine on a bicycle.The 2-stroke look, run and sells better for me.
     
  11. birddog

    birddog Guest

    The 2 stroke kits are definitely more compact than the 4 stroke--especially without the centrifugal clutch and gear box. We will be getting EPA approved 2 strokes (fully loaded), it's just a matter of who will make them. I like the look of the new StarFire Gen II also and am leaning towards them, however, the initial feedback seems to favor the SkyHawk brand. They do have a wider selection of optional parts, but the StarFire Gen II has some nice standard upgrades now such as a steel lined cylinder wall, 45 degree angle firing head, improved 203 crankcase bearings, needle bearings on the wrist pin, and a new carb design.

    Do you prefer your 2 strokes with a centrifugal or a standard friction clutch?
     
  12. Hollywood

    Hollywood Guest

    I like the standard friction clutch.With the centrifugal clutch you have to change the crank out and the pull starts are junk.The friction clutch are almost maintance free.How long will it be before you start importing the now engines.
     
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  13. birddog

    birddog Guest

    I plan to order 2 strokes very soon. I just want to make sure I get the product that best suits the masses and is the most desirable by most. It does take quite a while once the order is placed. Typically the turn around time is about 2 months from the time I place the order to the time we have it in hand and ready to ship.

    So, after seeing the StarFire Gen II specs, do you feel it is a better product than SkyHawk has to offer?
     
  14. mickey

    mickey Guest

    I think that I like the features of the Starfire but the gas-n-go of the skyhawk is intriguing.

    Slightly off topic but since we're talking about importing, why does no one offer the custom bikes that Grubee sells? Birddog?

    Being lazy, I like the idea of a frame designed for the HT with the built-in gas tank, HD axle, and front forks with V-brakes. Combined with the HT, it would make a fine little offroad bike.
     
  15. Hollywood

    Hollywood Guest

    I like the StarFire Gen II from what i read at the Grube web site on the engine specs.Won't the after market parts like the carbs, tanks and pipes ect. fit on both engines.As for the bike it would be the cost.It would have to be better than there WSC if you know what i mean.Im real happy with the SS Schwinn's that i use now but the cost is $250+.
     
  16. birddog

    birddog Guest

    Mickey: In a nutshell the reason we don't see many of the Grubee frames here in the US is because of the price. The frames with the tanks are well over $100 each FOB China. Then you have to pay ocean freight, local freight, customs clearance, duties, etc. We could have them combined on a container of engines, but the minimum order is 100 units and I haven't really heard a lot of demand for them.

    Hollywood: Yes, many of the parts are interchangeable, but if a part is only made at one factory it becomes difficult trying to get them to cooperate with each other. I guess they see it as helping the competition.

    I suppose I would consider getting some frames if enough people showed interest. The price would be similar to the SS Schwinn you mention, but you would get a built in gas tank , HD Axel & drum brake, etc.
     
  17. mickey

    mickey Guest

    Birddog, I posted a poll on the question of price and demand. I know that I would pay $200 for one, probably a bit more.
     
  18. birddog

    birddog Guest

    OK, I'll try to keep my eye on it to see what the response is like. The frame that I like best is the one near the bottom--the 26" GT Aluminum frame with front shocks and built in tank. Is that what you had in mind?
     
  19. Hollywood

    Hollywood Guest

    Josh,I like the StarFire Gen ll 26" cruiser (yellow one).Won't the price be much cheaper on this model than on the 26" GT Aluminum frame plus its a compete bike less engine?I think this is what most people would be looking for if the price is right.
     
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  20. birddog

    birddog Guest

    I think you might be right. Although the steel cruiser bike lacks the built in gas tank, it is a more complete solution for about $50 less. And since the kits will all include the gas tank anyway, this will be a more popular option. Based on that I think I will make this bike a part of my next order. Thanks for the feedback!
     
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