Fighting the LAW.....Ohio

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by tinman, Jul 12, 2008.

  1. tinman

    tinman New Member

    Well I've been here a week and im hooked. While planning my MB I figured I'd join the revolution. I just sent my first letter to my state representative a few minutes ago. Let me know what you think so I can improve upon it before sending it the all of my state legislators. I'm willing to fight the good fight and actually enjoy it so any ideas or input from the group would help.

    My letter:

    Hello Dennis, I'll be as quick and to the point as I can. There is a mode of transportation that is inexpensive, cheap to operate(200+ MPG) but are considered illegal in Ohio by the current written laws. They are "power assisted bicycles". A small gas engine that mounts to the bicycle to help in the peddling process. They fit almost any stansard bicycle. As current law is written these are now considered illegal unregisterable MOPEDS, they are far from that though.

    These kits by Federal guidlines are legal and legal in many other states incuding California to the latest state of Arizona who just legalized them. These can be of great benifit to many ohioans who cant afford or do not need a automobile.

    We need to make these bicycles legal. They are not toys. I would be happy to provide you with any information needed to gain your support on this issue. With the poor economy, high costs of gas and deminishing quality jobs this mode of transpotation could be invaluable to many people including myself.

    Thank you for your time.
     

  2. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    tinman -- I think this letter to your rep - Dennis -- is done very well. One thing noted - when sending letters to goverment officals - even if we know them well - should at most times - have their full names with title - example - not started with Dennis -- if your letter is passed on from Dennis to others -- full title - best.. One question for you --- how far away are you from your rep - Dennis ? If you can make the trip -- maybe adding something like this to your letter... I would like to bring a MB to the capital of our state so that you and any others who are interested in this matter -- may enjoy a ride.. If all of this is a go - I would hope that you take a quiet - 20 to 25 mph MB with you --- if you called the local news a few days in advance -- they would be there.. Happy Riding from - Mountainman
     
  3. tinman

    tinman New Member

    Mountainman, Thanks for the review. Normally i would have titled the letter differently but in this case i didn't because it was a direct email with an auto title on the page. As far as his location to me his main district office is about 3 miles away ~wink~. I also agree the smallest quietest and least offensive looking kit would be the best option for a demo. I was thinking of ine of the front wheel mounted versions might be the best. to me they take away the motorcyle and moped look which would greatly help IMHO. My next step is to find someone close who has one i could use so i dont have to pony up and buy one. I;m looking at different styles for myself. This is really more then a forum now its becoming an orgonization of a grass roots movement. There IS power in numbers especially when having to do with anything political. The best way to keep moving forward it to continue growing, spreading the word and scream loud for what we want. The pen(or emails) can be very vocal. Politically speaking for every 1 letter written it statisticly equates to 750 people who feel the same way. So few people actually write or call thies reps or senators that they use that figure as a guideline. So if 10 people call or write it becomes a serious issue to them because that meens 7,500 of thier voters feel the same way. Everyne needs to start6 screaming by sending or writing. Lets make them take us seriously.
     
  4. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    tinman -- sounds good.. Planning yes - planning... I think that there will be many here on this site -- so as to help you with said project.. Just an idea -- with your meeting with Dennis and the news (I have learned that our goverment officals - at most times - wish to know in advance) if any news people are coming with us.. I have been in the news here - tv, newspapers ect. many, many, many times -- can be much fun and can also be VERY STRESSFUL !!! See what others think -- maybe presenting two or three other states laws to Dennis -- which are MB friendly - asking if your state may follow suit ?? I would wait at this time -- gather information -- plan for the best results from any meeting -- it may be the last meeting - for a long time... Happy Riding from - Mountainman
     
  5. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    One thing that I would do is to stress every difference between motor assisted bicycles and mopeds. If we don't make that clear, then they'll be content to classify them as mopeds and we're stuck in the same spot we are now.

    We probably have to insist that these are not mopeds.
     
  6. umeboshi

    umeboshi New Member

    Hello Dennis, I'll be as quick and to the point as I can. There is a mode of transportation that is inexpensive, cheap to operate (200+ MPG) but are considered [is considered] illegal in Ohio by the current written laws. They are "power assisted bicycles". [period inside quote marks] A small gas engine that mounts to the bicycle to help in the peddling process.[not a sentence...use this -->It is a regular bicycle with a small gas engine mounted to help in the peddling process.] They fit almost any stansard [standard] bicycle. As current law is written[,] these are now considered illegal unregisterable MOPEDS[period, no comma] they are far from that though [instead of last sentence -->However, they are not mopeds.]

    These kits by Federal guidlines [guidelines] are legal and legal in many other states incuding [including] California to the latest state of Arizona who [instead of 'who' -->which] just legalized them. These can be of great benifit [benefit] to many ohioans [Ohioans]who cant [instead of informal 'can't -->cannot]afford or do not need a [an]automobile.

    We need to make these bicycles legal. They are not toys. I would be happy to provide you with any information needed to gain your support on this issue. With the poor economy, high costs of gas and deminishing [diminishing] quality jobs [,] this mode of transpotation [transportation] could be invaluable to many people including myself.

    Thank you for your time.
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    Changes are in brackets. Hope you don't mind. It's a good letter.

    Umeboshi うめぼし
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2008
  7. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    My friend, that is not fighting the law. That is working within it...and it is also the way things get done. Great idea.
     
  8. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    A small, 4-cycle EPA/CARBII approved motor, and a rack mount. That keeps the bicycle looking like a bicycle.

    Stress that these ARE bicycles. But, the helper motor allows "Joe Public" riders to actually USE a bicycle to commute. (those of us who are overweight, those with bad knees, or maybe a health condition, etc.)

    Stress that they are NOT Mopeds. Mopeds are designed from the start as a motor vehicle, with the peddles only useful for emergency use.

    Push the low gas usage, and the EPA/CARBII approval.

    Stress the removal of autos from congested streets whenever a rider on on a bike.

    Stress the patriotism in helping reduce the oil-driven foreign trade imbalance.

    IMO, the distinguishing factor between a moped and a motorized bicycle, in addition to the fact that a MB has had a motor added to a standard bicycle, is that motorized bicycle with a single gear ratio which cruises at 25 MPH has insufficient power to climb many grades without peddling, which any true motor vehicle CAN do.
     
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2008
  9. Alan

    Alan Member

    My letter will be a combination of all the above posts. Goods points made.

    Once they figure out how to regulate these bikes and charge you $$$, these bikes will find acceptance. Just like mopeds did. Not maybe, it WILL happen.






    New regulations may help to preserve MB'S.
     
  10. Alan

    Alan Member

    Hey Tinman,

    I found a loophole. :grin:

    Ohio law states :

    4501-23-19 Assembly by person other than manufacturer.

    Nothing in these rules and regulations shall prohibit a person other than a manufacturer from constructing, assembling, or equipping a vehicle so as to conform to the specifications of a motorized bicycle. Such person shall, however, comply with all of the rules contained in Chapter 4501-23 of the Administrative Code to the same extent as is necessary of a manufacturer.

    R.C. 119.032 review dates: 09/12/2006 and 03/09/2011

    Promulgated Under: 119.03

    Statutory Authority: R.C. 4511.521

    Rule Amplifies: R.C. 4511.521

    Prior Effective Dates: 4/1/78

    In other words, Make that MB a moped. Lighting- front a rear, brake light, horn, chain guard, mirror, etc. And when ready, take it in for enhanced inspection. They give you a VIN, get some insurance, register it, and you are legal. Talk to someone with some knowledge at the state, to make sure you're doing it right.
    There's a "Going Legal In Pa" thread you should check out. Similar situation here.
     
  11. timoc

    timoc New Member

    true it is sorta a hassle ,but not impossible to do,i knew someone who made their own car and got it legal,their are states where this is harder ,self assembled vehicle is way to go,a lot of people have done it here in oohiyaah.
     
  12. timoc

    timoc New Member

    plan on making a motorbike ,and a "motorcycle" with a +5 hp brigs type motor here in ohio
     
  13. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    in no way legal

    that THING will in NO WAY be a legal motorized bicycle

    although we do wish you luck with your project

    as we all ride those things
     
  14. bob_piper

    bob_piper New Member

    Tinman,

    I am in Columbus, Ohio and am building an MB myself. I have seen several people on the OSU campus driving electric motor-assisted bicycles and today I saw my first wizzer. I don't know any of these people yet, but the Statehouse is just down the street. Add a couple of electric as well as gasoline power-assisted bikes might make the point even stronger?
     
  15. timoc

    timoc New Member

    right you are

    the 5 horse one will be a home built motor cycle,not a motorized bike,wont have pedals just running boards
     
  16. The Seamus

    The Seamus Member

    As others have said the main thing we must stress is that these machines fill the same niche as a bicycle, they in no way can compete in traffic, just because they have an extra power source doesn't change the fact that they are at heart bicycles.
     
  17. timoc

    timoc New Member

    true,you don't want to go too fast on them,am going to try and learn how to lace wheels soon,
     
  18. mechcd

    mechcd Member

    I brought mine to the highway patrol for a custom vehicle inspection and they laughed at me and told me to drive it onto the sidewalk and into somebody's backyard if the local cops decided to pull over a bicycle :whistling:

    OUPD didn't care, Athens PD said if its a bike, its a bike, and don't ride it on sidewalks because there's a city ban on it or something.

    The local BMV "inspected" my 88 Fiero from PA by asking me what year it was and seeing that the vin tag matched the title. :rolleyes7:


    Until somebody finds a documented procedure for this or I get hassled, I'm just riding a bicycle with a big metal thing on the back

    Plus I don't think my local gov't starts to care unless there is money involved or California gets angry at the world.


    I would like to hear from others that are trying to get everything registered and titled. I was going for a custom motorcycle title because I planned on going over 1 hp and 20 mph. That alone might have caused my situation because.... well... its a mountain bike with an engine, not a dune buggy or custom chopper. One might note that custom vehicle insurance is not offered by everybody and certainly is not cheap. At the very least my insurance was going to be equal that of a "real" motorcycle. The insurance company has to send out an agent to inspect the vehicle as well.
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2009
  19. philco51

    philco51 Guest

    I am in Worthington Ohio, I have had my motorized bike about 3-4 years now. I had to park it as I have been stopped by the Worthington police and informed not to take it on the street. I've spoken to BMV and they refuse to budge. They say it is a Motorbike and is not on their approved list, end of conversation. Mine has been parked for 2 summers now and I doubt if I can get anywhere near what I have in it due to the laws. I will try to sell it this spring. It's a shame I have it looking like a classic Whizzer and can't ride it anymore...
     
  20. professor

    professor Active Member

    Phil, did you read the first post?
    If going that route fails and it were me - i would look for a clapped out moped (that IS on their list) with the proper state recognized slip ( registration or title) and it would become my motorized bike after I welded on the section of the frame that has the vin tag. Dispose of the rest of it. Would be nice to have the HD wheels and tires though.
    Put all the legal stuff on your bike and register it.