has anyone else used the Daemon friction drive kit?

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by dchevygod, Mar 16, 2011.

  1. dchevygod

    dchevygod Member

    I got one and bolted up just fine but... as soon as I got it started I could tell the clutch had issues. It had backed off the bell and bent it more than it was when I got it. And yes out of the box the bell was obviously warped. Im just going to get one of the $25-$35 complete housings with a bell and bearing. Cheap fix but blah. Also the motor is way further out than it needs to be. I think even with adding another cover to the motor the redesign should bring it closer to the spindle and mount. The bell that's on it is way to big and it sucks anyway. I guess the bad engineering just forced me to do something I wanted to anyway. The center of ballance is effected noticeably with the motor that far out. Im sure the little im going to pull it closer to the wheel should help tremendously. Any feed back would be appreciated. Thx
     

  2. kansasmike

    kansasmike New Member

    There is a guy on you tube that is having trouble also SAME SELLER .
    Right out of the box problem .
    I was going to order a motor kit this morning but I couldnt find any contact info like a phone number.
    And the emails would not goo through.
    So i guess i need to look elsewhere for a 4 stroke motor kit (4 GT BELT ) .
     
  3. Dave C

    Dave C Member

    Spooky Tooth is for sale. If you have $70,000 you can own them. I wish they'd stayed in business while they were looking for a buyer but there it is, we have to wait.
     
  4. dchevygod

    dchevygod Member

    well dont count out the kit i got the motor is good

    its not the kit as much as 1 flawed clutch or 2 if the other guys problem was the same one.
     
  5. dchevygod

    dchevygod Member

    the first two issues

    I snapped the threaded shank off of the spindle the other day. It was its first real ride. $35 later at the machine shop it has been lathed. I have it temporarily fixed I need a special made bolt for it. Or a new spindle and clutch bell. I'm glad I had the machinist remove the spindle cause it was a bear, needed the press. Any body have some unused old staton spindles? I need a few different sizes for testing. Any help on where to find would help THX
     
  6. dchevygod

    dchevygod Member

    support struts

    I still need to devise a strut system. Im using a turn buckle and bungy cord right now. I know its cheesy but its functional. I couldn't use the threaded rod that came with the kit because it has disk brakes and the frame is extra wide at the axle. Also the caliper is in the way. I can see that the unused brake brackets do line up perfectly with the center of each bearing and the channel like it was waiting for me to install two long quick realeases and an anchor for each one on the bracket. All ill need is a spring or bungy to hold the spindle above the tire when I need to disengage it.
     
  7. dchevygod

    dchevygod Member

    [​IMG] this is it idk the speed yet tho
     
  8. kansasmike

    kansasmike New Member

    looks great

    sounds like you have it figured out.
    looks Good.
     
  9. dchevygod

    dchevygod Member

    thx kansas

    I still have to fix the darn thing but the motor is strong. Some inexpensive upgrades are in the future. Im having trouble deciding wether too just buy bmp parts or put some more diy design into it. Just need a drill and tap set, three set screws, and a 3/8" piece of steel rod w/ some flats for the setscrews. My home depot fix only worked for about 3miles. LOL no bobbie only cost $1.50 for the 3/8" threaded rod that was insufficient for the torque and stripped out. The rod needs to be solid and more secure. Either should be just as strong but the clutchbell I have is already warped. I can straighten it some I think.
     
  10. dchevygod

    dchevygod Member

    its back together.

    I didn't think that there was enough room inbetween the bell and shoes for a nut on the new axle rod "the same 3/8 threaded rod" from home depot. But as it turns out there is and its working better than ever. I still have an intermittent shake that occurs at all speeds and positions of the throttle. It is concerning because I think its wollering out the bearing's hole in the channel "clutch side". That would mean a new kit altogether and that's not happening!. If in fact it gets bad enough or that's my whole problem the motor is going on my schwinn scooter and the kit is either garbage or ill completely redesign the mount to hold the motor on top "not to the side", run a chain down to a newly replaced spindle w/ 7t sprocket to match cag style 78mm clutch housing 1:1 same as stock config, =better weight distribution and hopefully no more issues because the stock bearings are going to be replaced by some bolt on carrier bearings and presto! I am happy enough with the HT 31cc 4 stroker for it to go on the schwinn but after that I am going to get a Honda 49cc for a frame mount cruiser or newer schwinn occ or wcc chopper style they just look awesome and comfy to ride " The Motobecane is quite stressing on my back and neck because of it being so tall at the seat mount". Maybe some taller bars would help?
     
  11. dchevygod

    dchevygod Member

    new issue! argg

    The motor is intermittently cutting out at wot. It seems like fuel starvation but with the clutch on the flywheel and the hole not being true letting the bearing move ever so slightly when engaged it doesn't idle well at all right now. Could it be pressing on the flywheel enough to change spacing of the coil?? I took some tension off the spindle later and it stopped doing it but, I can feel the motor needs more fuel and there isn't any adjustment on the stock carb aside from an idle screw. I need a 15 mm float bowl carb to make it better. A float bowl carburator is designed for a four stroke. Unlike the stock one that's obviously a junk two stroke carb. Oh I lowered the seat and is feels much better, but i still need taller handlebars and a good strut system. I found a GPS bike computer on the android market that works pretty good " i got 20mph today" Got to find a super secure way to mount my phone to the front some how. Please everybody some feedback....
     
  12. kansasmike

    kansasmike New Member

    Never had that problem

    I have 4 in frame 2 stroke kits installed up and going.
    And never a problem like you described .
    I just ordered a 4 stroke kit .
    Looking for some more tourq and a different sound.
    I think you will be happier with your next kit install
     
  13. dchevygod

    dchevygod Member

    i don t think ill do kits any more

    Im not scared to design the thing my self heck iv had to redesign this kit since the day it was installed. Its broken the spindle, came with a warped clutch bell, the strut rod wasn't drilled, there isn't any adjustment on the throttle cable " the cable is too long for the sleeve", the kill switch wire wasn't long enough, and to top it off the channel its all mounted on is flimsy enough, causing the hold for the bearing to become enlarged making it shake and stress the fly wheel and clutch intermittently.:annoyed:
     
  14. dchevygod

    dchevygod Member

    well

    I snapped the crankshaft about 3 days after the post before this one:shout: I threw the engine and f/d kit in a box and built my Schwinn scooter. Now I'm rebuilding the kit and making it stronger than before so it can handle the 4+ HP from a 460. Like I thought the bearing hole on the clutch side got wollered out really bad and the clutchbell was pressing hard enough that it snapped the crank in that junk huashengtaishan gx31 clone. This is my first M/B build and it didnt work out well at all, as a matter of fact i was down right disgusted with the whole deal for months. I made the new thread to document the redesign but this first version was a fail! DONT BUY A FRICTION KIT FROM ANYONE OTHER THAN BMP, STATON AND A FEW OTHER TRUSTED AMERICAN FABRICATORS! And for the record daemon bikes is a canadian company and they didnt do anything about any of my issues. The kit i got was junk in a box, well im exaggerating a bit there was a lot of flaws all of which when they were fixed just developed another somewhere else untill the engine catostrophicly failed!
     
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