Hi from Middelburg, Netherlands

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself' started by SaxAnton, Aug 11, 2009.

  1. SaxAnton

    SaxAnton New Member

    Hello, I am new here, Anton is the name and I live in the South-Western part of the Netherlands, in the quaint old town called Middelburg.
    I was build in 1954, and have had quite a lot of motorcycles, mostly British build ones, like BSA's, Triumphs, Nortons etc, but also a couple of other European bikes like BMW.
    I worked on motorcycles most of my life, and have ridden most makes on the planet,
    Nowadays, I am a great fan of motorised bicycles and my two-wheelers are restricted to Sachs 301 Engines bikes, mostly Spartamet, and a Hercules Saxonette Classic.
    I have four working models and a set for spares.

    The so-called 'Berceau frame' model, the nicest one to look at IMHO, from1986

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    The Saxonette, before the engine was fitted back in, this is in 'train-transport- mode' (bicycles OK to transport, but no engines allowed on the trains)

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    Anyway, I hope to find people here that have as much fun as I have with these small motorbicycles!
     

  2. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    Welcome aboard. Some nice looking bikes you've got there.
     
  3. Happy Valley

    Happy Valley Active Member

    Hello and welcome to MBc.
    I'd be interested in knowing more about the Sachs bike engines, displacement, horsepower and such and if there were sold as an aftermarket kit or already mounted.
    Thanks.
     
  4. HybriDude

    HybriDude Motored Bikes Sponsor

    G'day from Australia Anton
    Beautiful looking bikes. Are they legal?
    Could you please give us a brief summary of what engine assistance is permitted on pedal cycles in the Netherlands?
    Can you register a motor-assisted pedal cycle and use it like a moped?
     
  5. machiasmort

    machiasmort Active Member

    SaxAnton,
    Welcome aboard to MBC. My family has it's roots in the Netherlands. Fine Country of Seamen you are! I preffer land travel myself also! Good to have you with us.
     
  6. SaxAnton

    SaxAnton New Member

    Thanks guys! :)

    Yes, they are (still?) legal! These bikes were developed in the early 1980-ish.
    Although we have a 'flat' country, there is nearly always wind to fight against.
    Sparta teamed up with Sachs to make the SpartaMet, "Met" means "with" in Dutch.
    At first they were especially very popular with the older people, youngsters were laughed about when they rode them.
    The engine Sachs came up with was developed with a lot of know-how Sacghs already had and it is proven to be a good one!
    You can cycle as on any 'normal' bicycle, it only feels as if you have some heavy luggae on the rack.
    The displacement is a 33 bore by 36 stroke, giving a whopping 30 cc of displacement.
    Horsepowers? Well, not even a pony, as we say! ;)
    The manual I have says 0.5 KiloWatt/0.7 HP at 3750 rpm.

    It has a centrifugal clutch in the crankase, it is actualy part of the crank when engaged.
    Then, in the older models it had a set of 6 gears (!) to get to the right ratio to the rearwheel, the newer models have a skew gear.
    The Dutch version is set to a bit faster top speed than the German models, as we have different laws to comply...
    The German models have a different set of gears, wich gives them a speed of around 20 KM/h, the Dutch go 'faster' at 25 Km/h limit.
    We have different Moped laws, for mopeds in Class A that can go up to 25Km/h you do not need a helmet, and than there are the real mopeds, in class B, for that you need a helmet, but they can go up to 45Km/h.
    Class A are also called 'snorbrommers' (25 Km/h)> no helmet
    Class B is a 'brommer'. (45 Km/h) >helmet required.

    The German version, with the different gearing is a bit better in tackling hills, so both models suit their terrain best, I think?
    The limit is actually set in the CDI module, and when the limiter is removed, the Dutch version goes around the 30 KM/h mark.
    There is quite a bit of people trying to squeeze more power out of the engines and I know some people who ride for over 6000 kilometers without problems, with an engine that goes up to 40 Km/h!
    I have not been so lucky untill now, my 'fast' engine (35km/h) got into trouble when the magnets in the flywheel came loose, and hit the coil...

    As I told earlier, yes, the are legal, in the 1980s all you needed was a mandatory insurance.
    You got a small numberplate at the back with the year of insurance on it, and a different color every year.
    Nowadays you also have to have a drivers-license of some sort, that can be you car or motorcycle license, or a special one for mopeds.
    And, what we also have and is frowned upon a lot: a 'real' license-plate and the paperwork that comes with it!

    We don't like that AT ALL... As you have to transfer every bike you buy or sell at the postoffice, and EVERY bike you own has either to be insured, or it costs you 10 Euro to suspend it, something you have to prolong (and pay) every year:veryangry:
    That was done with the argument to have better control over them so that there would be less thefts...
    There have NEVER been so many mopeds stolen as since these laws came about!

    Anyway, they are great fun, both to ride and to work on!
    My bones do not like me to run around with big BSA sidevalve engines anymore ;)
     
  7. SaxAnton

    SaxAnton New Member

    As I have not answered your questions correclty in my previous post, I'll try it here:
    Overhere, you cannot build your own motored bicycle, sad to tell you///:(
    The only motored bikes allowed are factory-made ones, that had rigorous government testing (expensive!).
    Kits are NOT allowed!
    Wich is very sad ofcourse! Yes, the Dutch seem to have a name as being a 'free' country', but I don't know a country that has as many lwas for EVERYTHING... Well maybe Germany?:whistling:

    Only models and makes that were present in the Netherlands before these (silly) laws came about, ie around 1965-ish? The older clip-on engines like Berini, Mosquito, Cyclemasters etc are still allowed to have, these are ofcourse great fun, but spares are a problem.
    I actually came accross the Spartamet as a fun bike to ride, after a friend of mine needed some space and 'planted' a set of BSA's in my shed. One of them was a BSA Winged Wheel, I got it running for him, and what fun that was! :) A lot faster than these sachs engined bikes, frightening fast, even!
    So, when the opportunity came to buy a Spartamet, I did, and since then most of my big motorcycles have gone, but the Spartamet collection grew!
     
  8. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    G'day Anton...welcome to MBc.
     
  9. HybriDude

    HybriDude Motored Bikes Sponsor

     
  10. Happy Valley

    Happy Valley Active Member

    Thanks for all the info!
    Cheers.
     
  11. Turtle Tedd

    Turtle Tedd Member

    Hello from Florida,USA
     
  12. Lemsteraak

    Lemsteraak New Member

    Hi,

    I have one in California, actually a "kit" as I talked to Sparta years ago about shipping me one. They not only wouldn't sell me a Spartamet and don't sell bicycles in the US because of unfair product liability laws.

    So, I have this Spartamet like bike here in California and I went to talk to the DMV, our motor vehicle regulators, about what I have to do about registration and what license I need. Turns out you need a motorcycle license and the bike can be registered as a moped but you still need liability insurance. I went to take my motorcycle license test and there is a riding ability section. I hopped on the bike and was going to ride it around the course and the examiner laughed and said don't bother, no one will stop you with that thing. Turns out, he was right.

    I mostly use it as a bicycle with the engine off, I have it set up as a 15 speed with alpine gears. The engine really helps in climbing some of the hills in my area. I heard at one time that Sachs made a Saxonette engine with two speeds. That would be perfect for steep hills.

    The best thing, I really enjoy riding, I sold my car because I never use it anymore. As for longevity, I chatted with an Australian who has used these to tour most of Australia and the Western US. He has over 35,000 miles on one of his. They are very reliable, they have to be here, nearest parts are 6,000 miles away.

    My only concern was that the two stroke engine was polluting a lot. Also smelled like two stroke oil, just wasn't good around other cyclists. So, I retrofitted mine with a catalytic converter, so no smog, but still had the smell of two stroke oil. I got a fragrance that drag racers would use in their nitro methane mix. Now the engine exhaust smells like fresh lemons.

    Oh, almost forgot, I got stopped by a guy a couple weeks ago who wanted to know what type of electric motor I was using. He is an electrical engineer and builds electric bikes and because it was so quiet, had no idea it was a a two stroke engine.
     
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2009
  13. SaxAnton

    SaxAnton New Member

    Great story, thanks Lemsteraak!

    I did not know Sparta were so willing to export a 'set'!?

    Do you have a picture of your set-up?
     
  14. indicruis

    indicruis Guest

    Hello Anton,

    I'm have one of the in Holland famous Spartamets.
    And yes I hate the stupid new regulations, numbers, sign plates, etc, etc....
    I think it's all for the money... And if you want to build your own motoredbicycle, it's almost impossible to get it road legal.
    But still I'm going to try to make bike with a ducati cucciolo engine road legal.

    By the way, groeten uit het oosten van nederland.
     
  15. SaxAnton

    SaxAnton New Member


    Hey,
    Een Nederlander! :)

    Hello indicruis, yes loads of rules and regulations overhere..
    But plenty Spartamets!

    But you should be able to register a Ducati Cucciolo.
    You can get help from the (cycle)motorclubs to get it registered?
    Het Motorrijwiel has addresses I suppose, otherwise send Hans van Dissel, the editor, a Mail, he is always a great help!

    Groeten en succes! :)
     
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