Honda/Hua Crash Bar.

Discussion in '4-Stroke Engines' started by fetor56, Jan 24, 2009.

  1. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    Has anyone ever made a crash bar for the right hand side of the Honda/Hua engine(where the pull start mechanism is) as protection from hard knocks/crashes etc?,it IS very vulnerable.
    I'll look around today for a bracket that may possibly fit but if i can't find anything i'll make one myself.......just wondered if it's already been done.
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  2. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    hey fetor
    maybe I am missing the picture here
    doesn't the peddle sticking out protect it somewhat already ?

    I like the looks of that motor bike
    and with a Honda -- that's some nice motor bike stuff going on there !

    happy riding as you ride that thing
     
  3. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    Don't have one, but I could use it.
     
  4. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    The peddle does help protect the cover to some degree,but if it's not in the correct position it's rendered practically useless.
    A friend has broken 2 Honda side covers from accidents(a rather expensive excercise) & there's also the idiot factor,i've had my bike deliberately kicked over to the ground(lucky that time it was a 2-stroke HT)
    Prevention. :sweatdrop:
     
  5. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    sure wasn't very cool of the fool !!!

    I see your dilemma there fetor
    I have a rack mount engine
    it's fallen over a couple of times - - engine hit's ground pretty hard

    whatever you come up with
    just doesn't seem like it will look very great (MB pretty)
    but if it saves that motor thing -- understood -- worth it

    you have had your MB deliberatey kicked over ?
    that sure wasn't very cool of the fool !!!

    ride that thing
     
  6. mabman

    mabman Member

    I had that happen to my 35cc Honda when it was mounted to my trail a bike years ago. It is expensive to fix and doesn't take much for those fins to break and make the starter not want to engage.

    The solution looks simple enough when you look at the photo. You can almost see it in the solid black strips starting at the mounting bolts? Attach one leg to each of the bolts and attach the other end to a ring that sits around the emblem and just a little proud of that outermost plastic cap. Because width on these setups is such an issue you wouldn't want any more hanging out than necessary and that should stop any damage getting to the plastic itself if the right metal is used that is stiff enough to take the blow.

    It will probably be best if it was welded up out of some steel. Will see what we can do.
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2009
  7. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    @mabman
    Not a bad suggestion,thanks.

    I was thinking something different,but whatever system i choose the studs have to be replaced(either with stainless steel or hi-tensile studs)
    Buy a tool-box(or similar) handle,make sure it's strong & the correct dimensions,& connect it to the two lower pull-start mounting studs ONLY.There are millions of different types of handles out there....door handles....cupboard handles,etc etc.
    I'll also use this protection method on my rear engined Titan.....that's even more vulnerable.
     
  8. mabman

    mabman Member

    Yup, as long as the handle is proud of the cover that will work fine and be way easier to execute.
     
  9. The studs for the pull start housing are pretty darn wimpy too. I would try to run a bar off the motor mouting plate. You can bend metal rod in a vice pretty easily, then hammer the ends flat to bolt through. I'd drill holes in the side of the motor mount plate and use some 1/4'' or thicker bolts to take that much force.
     
  10. Irish John

    Irish John Guest

    I'd be careful not to drop the bike and if I did drop it on that side I'd just use a HuaSheng cover to replace the Honda one cos it's the same and you'll be painting it black anyway. I'm almost certain they are interchangeable. Can't wait for a closer look at your throttle cable system at the carby end Fetor. I like how you've used that noodle to route the cable and I think this bike is going to be as sexy as HoughMade's. Spunky fuel line too I see. I'm getting jealous but I love it.
     
  11. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    maybe some nice looking foot pegs -- non folding type

    mounted to the frame just in front of your engine
    sticking out just far enough so as to be full all around protection
    not sure if pegs would be comfortable mounted there
    as you sit on your MB and pop your legs up -- what do you think ?
    might just turn out to be a nice addition as you kick back on that thing and ride

    ride that thing
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2009
  12. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    I've given up trying to find something that will fit(off the shelf) & be strong enough to take a heavy knock.....trouble is thesedays everything is made so weak.
    I'll fab my own bracket from stainless steel...i've already got some excellent rod for the studs.
    Post pics when i'm done.
     
  13. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    Titan...don't let the sticker fool ya,it's for the benefit of the cops.Made in 3mm Stainless Steel.
    In-Frame genuine Honda to follow.
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    PS......MODS,can this thread be renamed please to include the Titan....."Honda/Hua/Titan Crash-Bar."
     
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  14. Irish John

    Irish John Guest

    Having dropped my Billinudgel Bullet yesterday when I touched the front brake on a wet right hand downhill bend and the front wheel slid from under me at considerable speed I am pleased to report that the plastic pulley cover didn't receive a scratch. The handlebars and the pedal kept it clear of the ground. Maybe the panier on the rear side helped too but the force bent the crank arm, ripped the throttle handle badly and brake lever, scratched the nose of the front steel fender and smashed the streamlined light on the front fender to bits. That is not very bad damage for a fast spill and the worst damage was to myself. The attached picture shows the side of the bike that went down at speed 3 days before it happened. The bike slid about 10 metres over rough bitumen on a country road before coming to a stop in the gravel and grass.
    I didn't slide half as well and am now in considerable pain. Straightening the one piece crank will need heat and that will spoil its looks cos its chromoly.
     

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  15. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    Rather Sorry to hear that John.The main thing is that your in a recoverable state & a good object lesson for us all..........no-one is immortal.
     
  16. Irish John

    Irish John Guest

    No person is immortal but a Fosscati FG4 Billinudgel Bullet comes pretty close. I expect it will one day grace the foyer of the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney next to the as yet unnamed Fetor Electra Adelaide Atomic and perhaps a scale model of the HoughMade Indiana Immolator and a few other famous bikes of the early 21st century.
    Seriously guys if you put a crash bar on your downtube it could well cause more damage to the bike and might even encourage cartwheeling. Maybe footpegs out the side of the rear wheel would give better protection. It's pretty hard to scratch the plastic cover if you drop the bike.
     
  17. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    The bar is not on the downtube...the bar on the outside of the pull start mechanism.Two engine studs are replaced with longer studs.Please see my Titan pic,i did that bike first cos it's the most vulnerable.
     
  18. Irish John

    Irish John Guest

    Oh I see the set up. On a frame mount that bracket would clip my calf every time I pedal but it could work just as well running between the other two studs on the triangle of studs holding on the pull starter. That way it clears my leg but I see the Electra has a longer tray and could well be mounted forther forwards & thus not in way of leg. Would look good painted with black & yellow chevrons.
     
  19. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    My engine cover is and the starter cover are painted...they could be painted again, so I guess I'll take my chances.
     

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  20. Irish John

    Irish John Guest

    Looking closely at your bike HoughMade I see that your downtube is not quite the same goose-neck as the Schwinn Classic Beach Cruiser and it is further back from the front wheel and thus makes the engine tray a tight fit. I hadn't noticed that before but I have found that when I mount the motor further back I get a bit better power from the drive chain. I wonder why this is and having tried having the engine further forward it looks OK and often helps with the exhaust alignment but the power is noticeaby reduced albeit minimally. I tend to mount the motor further forward simply because it means I can take the chain off the drive sprocket without splitting the chain but I lose performance because of that. I hope you never drop your bike.
     
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