How are your brakes?

Discussion in 'Spare Parts, Tools & Product Developement' started by a/c man, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. a/c man

    a/c man Member

    Consider your endless winter of downtime from riding a golden opportunity to get your brakes back up to their best possible condition. Get new cables, clean and lube every moving part to avoid binding, and above all get some decent brake shoes like I just did. I've spent the last year getting this thing to haul serious a$$, and figured I'm endangering my future with crappy brakes. Going 40 mph is an awesome feeling but you'd better be able to stop that thing when you need to. Go to Niagara Cycles (awesome bike parts website) and get the #1 rated brake shoes, KOOL- STOP SALMON. I promise you for about $8 a pair the difference is night and day. I can lock-um-up now and never could before, even when they get wet the difference is amazing from my generic bike shop pads. Not a sales pitch just the truth.Also Sheldon Brown's website and Harris Cyclery is the best "how to "
    bicycle repair website out there. I got the EAGLE CLAW II SALMON pads and even on my crappy old school caliper brakes I feel a little safer about stopping
    when the next idiot in a car does something stupid to me. How are your brakes anyway?
     

  2. Kool stop makes decent brake pads. I use two sets on my Jaguar with rim brakes. My newer bike has discs, front and rear. I agree, when you say whoa, Old Dobbin needs to respond, right NOW!
     
  3. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    it's good to hear about a better pad out there
    yes at some of these speeds also good THING to really inspect that THING from time to time
    I have been riding disc for a while now
    it would be hard to go back

    brakes are so important when we ride these motorized bicycle THINGS
     
  4. Hajuu

    Hajuu Member

    Haha, what a dumb name, kool stop. Good advice though, my brakes right now are shoddy as ****, need some entire new sets.
     
  5. Esteban

    Esteban Active Member

    Kool Stop are very good pads !
     
  6. AussieSteve

    AussieSteve Active Member

    My current pads are leaving a layer of rubber/plastic on the front (alloy) rim, sort of melting.
    (Only 50-70kph, (~30-45mph), not high speeds.)
    Once there's a layer on the rim, the brakes get a bit dangerous, like an on/off switch.

    Do you reckon that Kool Stop pads will be better in that regard, as well as stopping power? It's bloody hard to get the layer off the rim between rides, it's starting to really bug me. Anything would have to be better than this junk, but I'd like the best, or close to it.

    ... Steve
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2010
  7. Hajuu

    Hajuu Member

    Are there no like, automotive style hard material pads available that would work with a steel or alloy rimmed wheel? Or maybe have it like the new brakes do where instead of the front of the pad touching first to stop squeeling, a secondary hard pad goes on first and takes a lot of the brunt of the breaking, before using the rubber/plastic pads for the rest and releasing the hard pads..

    Could just be on the front of an ordinary pad where the nose normally touches like I said, then as you press harder, the rubber comes on.
     
  8. Esteban

    Esteban Active Member

    Try rubbing alcohol to remove build-up, oil, dirt fron the rims.
     
  9. AussieSteve

    AussieSteve Active Member

    First thing I tried. Works for a lot of things, but not this rubber/plastic build-up from the shoes.
    All that works for me is a scouring pad, Jif cream cleanser and lots of elbow grease.
    It unexpectedly picked up the rear wheel this afternoon while braking, a reminder to order better shoes ASAP.
    I guess I'll try Kool Stop and see how they go.
    Meantime, I've got to remove the black layer after every decent ride, to keep things safe.

    ... Steve
     
  10. professor

    professor Active Member

    The black stuff is plastic that is melting on the rim from the heat. Don't think they were designed for stopping from mach 1.
    I need some better pads too.
    By the way- real hard pads will not work as good and will abrade away the bike wheel over time. I try to avoid hi-metalic brake shoes in my cars because they actually wear down the rotors noticeably.
     
  11. Hajuu

    Hajuu Member

    I thought that fiberglass or um.. carbon fiber (also the old asbestos ones lol) or whatever.. were ok, because *all* the material was softer than steel?
     
  12. a/c man

    a/c man Member

    by the way

    Kool-stop also makes dual compound pads with 2 different and separate compounds on the same shoe. I haven't tried them but i understand they are really good and can eliminate brake squeal.
     
  13. wildemere

    wildemere Member

    The front wheel on my dual brake shifter bike gets really hot after a ride. 90C or more on the rim.

    It can do 80 km/h downhill and around 60+ on the flats depending on headwind.

    The stock/supermarket rubber pads left black build-up and had variable performance with temperature and weather conditions.

    After upgrading to Serfas dual compound pads the difference was astounding, I can now perform stoppies.

    The drawback is the rim wear. The first compound (to contact the rim) is a slightly abrasive, rim polishing rubber with water dispersion grooves and the second is a soft high friction compound.

    Working together they give excellent performance in most riding conditions at the expense of rim wear and tyre heatup.

    High End rims have wear indicators like car tires. When upgrading to these high performance pads be sure to keep an eye on your rims.

    The temps go higher at high loads as well, tyre pressures are then also increased leading to blowouts.

    Tandem tourers frequently loose brakes and/or blow out tyres on long downhill grades because of heat build up.

    There is only so much heat a rim /pad combination can absorb before something fails.

    I like V brakes a lot, and I run a Hayes mechanical disc on my other bike, it’s a single speeder geared for 55km/h, it modulates better and leaves the tyre and rim cool. But the dual V brake setup stops faster with the dual compound pads.


    Having said all of this I have only experienced brake fade a couple of times, mostly with the disc in hot weather, or the rubbers on steel rims.
     
  14. jimraysr

    jimraysr Member

    Magura Hydraulic Rim Brakes

    I changed my bakes to Magura hydraulic and it is a whole diferent world.

    They have their own shoes and only warranty the system with their shoes.

    Friends who are serious mountain riders of course tell me disc are as much a change from what I have as to how much mine changed from the cable ones.

    Of course with a frame mount, disc won't work on the back wheel for a 4 stroke.

    Jim
     
  15. ibdennyak

    ibdennyak Guest

    I actually wore a rim to the point it started to separate from the air in the tire. Scary when the wheel catches on the pads.

    My wish list has hydraulic discs on it......
     
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