I need *links*! Help me finish this updatable noob guide..

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by sparky, Mar 22, 2008.

  1. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    I'd mostly finished this outline days ago but gradually added on a few more sections as I've skimmed thru more threads. This should be a resource for all noobs to get answers for the generally obvious questions to customary members. outta the way for the more technical and advanced threads.

    I definitely need you guys to pitch me some ideas toward better organization of the outline and/or links that would be good additions to the ones I've already got.


    Anyway... here's what I've got as of now (will be edited with your links):

    INTRO
    - this is a fairly comprehensive, yet brief summary to get noobs on their way, keep the forums clean, & keep the mods sane,
    therefore increasing the rate of expansion of this forum & industry by providing reliable tips & links.
    - this guide is a small representation of the this entire forum & it is not set in stone... hopefully you guys will inform me
    of your favorite tips & links and this guide.

    MBc BASICS
    - introduce yourself in the proper forum
    - don't be a jerk
    - no double or cross posting
    - no vendor spamming in forums which are off limits
    - no qustions about things which are answered below
    - bumping old threads for legitimate reasons is encouraged
    - non-obvious noob suggestions (visit picture gallery for ideas, click today's posts or new posts at top)
    - how-to post pics
    - MBc terms (happy time, MBc, WOT, dino, cager), link to bicycle terms

    MOTORED BIKING BASICS
    - be safe (no synthetic clothes, shorts, or alcohol, have bright colored clothes or safety flag, lights at night,
    always check for loose bolts or chain and any leaks, have good brakes, tires & chain guard, beware of gravel, helmets);
    - federal laws; http://www.spookytoothcycles.com/content/view/140/1/
    - bike frames (cruiser, chopper, mountain, road, bmx, folding, trike, recumbent, recumbent trike);
    http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5186
    - 2-stroke vs 4-stroke vs electric (size/weight, torque, power, noise, efficiency, reliability, valve adjustments, oil,
    tipped motors, bump vs pull start, price)
    - chain vs belt vs friction drive (weight, chains are noisy & require maintenance, ease of installation & adjusting for
    torque vs power, reliability, wet conditions, friction wears tires)
    - frame vs rack mounting (aesthetics, wide cranks, frame mounting & rear suspension don't mix, hot mufflers & wearing
    pants, simplicity of racks)
    - trailer pushers
    - speed & mpg estimates (these aren't motorcycles, too many variables, effects of sprocket/wheel/engine size,
    practicality of pedalling at various speeds and w/out gas)
    - notes for builders (use rubber/leather inserts for motor mounts, replace all cheap bolts/nuts with grade A US stuff,
    use loctite, take your time)

    PETROL
    - 2-strokes need 2-stroke oil, 4-strokes need 4-stroke oil
    - oil should be changed in 4-strokes after 5~7hrs for first time break-in, then every 10~25hrs thereafter
    - follow manufacturer's suggestion(s)
    - types of oil (regular dino, synthetic, bean oil... why maxima castor 927 & klutz super techniplate are so great)
    - mixing (no gas with ethanol, don't mix more than a gal at a time, never let mixed fuel sit for longer than a month...
    fill gas can up 1/3rd of the way, pour in oil, add remaining fuel, and then shake)
    - break-in (pour a lil extra oil down spark plug hole before first crank, for first 3 fillups or so put a tad extra dino oil
    only, gradually engage throttle more and more but don't run it WOT often on the first tank & def not w/ cold engine,
    don't run engine for longer than 15 min at a time for first tank)
    - tweaking fuel/oil ratio by "reading" the spark plug
    - tweaking air/fuel ratio in carburetor with slide or screws (depending on whether it's an old or new carb)
    - other factors involved, in general; http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7762

    SPROCKETS/FREEWHEELS
    - lacing spokes thru a sprocket (works best with 10-12g spokes, the_wheelmaster is a safe bet)
    - double freewheel setups
    - gear reduction

    GEARS / CVT FOR MOTOR
    - ghetto shifters (derailers, hubs w/ internal gears)
    - Staton CVT
    - NuVinci CVP hub; http://youtube.com/watch?v=c9t_uQc-NQ0 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6899&page=9
    & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9199

    GUIDES & TIPS FOR BUILDERS
    - 2-stroke; http://www.livefastmotors.com/pdf/two_cycle.pdf & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9171
    - 4-stroke;

    BASIC REPAIR & MAINTENANCE
    - tools for the ride
    - no flats (airfree tires, thick liners or cut up street tires, thicker puncture-resistant tubes)
    - chain adjustments
    - brake adjustments
    - mistakes we all make; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6004

    ADVANCED REPAIR, MAINTENANCE, & TUNING
    - general horsepower thread(s); http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8915
    - exhaust; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8957 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7800
    & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8619 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9221
    - carburetor; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4854 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4894
    - engine; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9208

    MODDING 101
    - lights; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9057 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9121
    - Large's clutch mod; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8729
    - throttle; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9239
    - double the gas tanks; http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6313
    - [keyed] killswitch; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9040

    FIRST PLACE CUSTOM BUILDS AND IDEAS
    - JohnnyGA's john deere bike; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5765
    - graucho's beast; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9064
    - van's trike; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7524
    - papa's trike; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6799
    - azvinnie's "tri-brid" trike; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7756
    - bama's trike w/ motor on front tire; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4630
    - willimoto's pocket rocket; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8898
    - nwguy's folding bike w/ motor on front & double the gears; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8166
    - simplest build ever; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uruaRsCHvk4
    - electric pedal assisted road bike; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsbOD09doRI
    - simple trailer pusher; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjEgsKqfi74

    COMMONLY MENTIONED BRANDS/COMPANIES
    - electric motors/batteries, [re]sellers (... goldenmotor.com, poweridestore.com)
    - 2-stroke engines, [re]sellers (TLE33, TLE43, Rob/Subaru, Chung Yang... vizamotors.com, staton-inc.com, bikeengines.com)
    - 4-stroke engines, [re]sellers (GXH35, GXH50, Rob/Subaru... staton-inc.com, bikeengines.com)
    - kits, [re]sellers (thatsdax.com, bicycle-engines.com)
    - regular bikes, [re]sellers (bikebuyers.com, walmart)
    - pre-built motored bikes, [re]sellers (spookytoothcycles.com, whizzermotorbike.com, fiveflagsmotorbikes.com)
    - oil, [re]sellers (maxima castor 927, klotz super techniplate... rockymountainatv.com)
    - parts & accessories, [re]sellers (NuVinci hub, nice speedo gauge??, airfree tires, puncture resistant tires...
    kingsmotorbikes.com/bicycle_parts.htm, staton-inc.com, airfreetires.com, walmart)

    OTHER COOL MOTORED BIKES / SCOOTERS / ATVsS
    - GoPed Riot; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMFSmLAFDlE
    - GoPed Trail Ripper; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW1HpzNlz9M
    - GoPed Go-Bike; http://www.davesmotors.com/goped-gobike.htm
    - 110cc ATV; http://www.atvdiscounter.com/ATVs/Size/110cc-22777/3938290-ATV-61/ProductInfo.aspx

    FUN VIDEOS
    - wanna-be evil knievel; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BirvQbYrhqQ
    - jet powered bicycle chased by police; http://www.livevideo.com/media/playvideo_fs.aspx?fs=1&cid=97299598054749118E9F73A0CCDA7BF7
    - amazing display of balance on a pit bike; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5v0F_nKjnI
    - crazy new york bicycle messenger race; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au0Zjn3eB9k

    NOT-SO-FUN VIDEOS
    - awareness test; http://dothetest.co.uk
    - watch out for those crazy cagers; http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=1538920
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2008

  2. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    Nobody has any favorite threads, links, or tips to add to this list??
     
  3. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    Custom builds: Anyone remember where that thread is where Dan posted a bunch of iRide builds? And Zomby's work is not only aestheticly pleasing, he's done/and is doing a bunch of cutting edge stuff.
     
  4. fastboy9

    fastboy9 Member

    great work sparky! I've wrote a 50 page guide for happy time engines, just trying to find somewhere to host it and I'll give you the link, you could add that to the list.
     
  5. decompiler

    decompiler Member

    Amazing!

    I promise that I am trying my hardest to read every single word from every single link before I build my first bike! There is A LOT of very good material here.

    :)
     
  6. Last edited by a moderator: Mar 25, 2008
  7. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    I've found these:

    iRide Customs: http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5574
    Zomby Builder: http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6664

    I already included it under the "guides & tips for builders".

    I understand how to do this... this was just an outline to catch some new links and such... I'll prolly finish this tomorrow.
     
  8. Oh let me add that you're doing a great job,Sparky! I may have some spare time tomorrow to help with this.
     
  9. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    I hope this place doesn't get boring after Sparky and Fastboy have organized the answers to everyone's questions.
     
  10. fastboy9

    fastboy9 Member

  11. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    Doubtful... we could never answer every question for every person. This is just a crash course in the basics... the thing that the frequent members get tired of typing over and over again. Soon this place will be for the real serious motored bike topics only. Organization is our friend.
     
  12. fastboy9

    fastboy9 Member

  13. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    Wow... I can't edit the first message at all after a certain period of time?!? That's weird.

    I guess having a wiki-like stickied thread wouldn't work in that case. Can't that be changed by the admins so I can constantly update the first post with the newest version of this crash course??

    Well, here's v0.2:

    INTRO
    - this is a fairly comprehensive, yet brief summary to get noobs on their way, keep the forums clean, & keep the mods sane,
    therefore increasing the rate of expansion of this forum & industry by providing reliable links.
    - this guide is a small representation of the this entire forum & it is not set in stone... hopefully you guys will inform me
    of your favorite tips & links and this guide.

    MBc BASICS
    - introduce yourself in the proper forum
    - don't be a jerk
    - post in the right forum
    - no double or cross posting
    - no vendor spamming in forums which are off limits
    - no qustions about things which are answered below
    - bumping old threads for legitimate reasons is encouraged
    - non-obvious noob suggestions (visit picture gallery for ideas, click today's posts or new posts at top)
    - how-to post pics
    - MBc terms (happy time, MBc, WOT, dino, cager); http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8981

    MOTORED BIKING BASICS
    - be safe (no synthetic clothes, shorts, or alcohol, have bright colored clothes or safety flag, lights at night,
    always check for loose bolts or chain and any leaks, have good brakes, tires & chain guard, beware of gravel, helmets);
    - federal laws; http://www.spookytoothcycles.com/content/view/140/1/
    - bike frames (cruiser, chopper, mountain, road, bmx, folding, trike, recumbent, recumbent trike);
    http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5186
    - frame vs rack mounting (aesthetics, wide cranks, frame mounting & rear suspension don't mix, hot mufflers & wearing
    pants, simplicity of racks, 14" minimum clearance for frame mounts)
    - 2-stroke vs 4-stroke vs electric (size/weight, torque, power, noise, efficiency, reliability, valve adjustments, oil,
    tipped motors, bump vs pull start, price); http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4997
    - chain vs belt vs friction drive (weight, chains are noisy & require maintenance, ease of installation & adjusting for
    torque vs power, reliability, wet conditions, friction wears tires)
    - trailer pushers
    - speed & mpg estimates (these aren't motorcycles, too many variables, effects of sprocket/wheel/engine size,
    practicality of pedalling at various speeds and w/out gas)

    PETROL
    - 2-strokes need 2-stroke oil, 4-strokes need 4-stroke oil
    - oil should be changed in 4-strokes after 5~7hrs for first time break-in, then every 10~25hrs thereafter
    - follow manufacturer's suggestion(s)
    - types of oil (regular dino, synthetic, bean oil... why maxima castor 927 & klutz super techniplate are so great)
    - mixing (no gas with ethanol, don't mix more than a gal at a time, never let mixed fuel sit for longer than a month...
    fill gas can up 1/3rd of the way, pour in oil, add remaining fuel, and then shake)
    - break-in (pour a lil extra oil down spark plug hole before first crank, for first 3 fillups or so put a tad extra dino oil
    only, gradually engage throttle more and more but don't run it WOT often on the first tank & def not w/ cold engine,
    don't run engine for longer than 15 min at a time for first tank)
    - tweaking fuel/oil ratio by "reading" the spark plug
    - tweaking air/fuel ratio in carburetor with slide or screws (depending on whether it's an old or new carb)
    - other factors involved, in general; http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7762

    SPROCKETS/FREEWHEELS
    - lacing spokes thru a sprocket (works best with 10-12g spokes, the_wheelmaster is a safe bet)
    - double freewheel setups
    - gear reduction; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8802

    GEARS / CVT FOR MOTOR
    - ghetto shifters (derailers, hubs w/ internal gears)
    - Staton CVT
    - NuVinci CVP hub; http://youtube.com/watch?v=c9t_uQc-NQ0 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6899&page=9
    & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9199

    GUIDES & TIPS FOR BUILDERS
    - general tips for builders (use rubber/leather inserts for motor mounts, replace all cheap bolts/nuts with grade A US stuff,
    use loctite, take your time)
    - 2-stroke; http://www.livefastmotors.com/pdf/two_cycle.pdf & http://www.bcmoped.com/download/install2.pdf &
    http://motoredbikes.versionate.com/#/document/view/7743;Motored_bikes_manual_Happy_time_-_V1.0
    - 4-stroke;

    BASIC REPAIR & MAINTENANCE
    - tools for the ride; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5960
    - no flats (airfree tires, thick liners or cut up street tires, thicker puncture-resistant tubes)
    - chain adjustments
    - brake adjustments
    - mistakes we all make; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6004

    ADVANCED REPAIR, MAINTENANCE, & TUNING
    - general horsepower thread(s); http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8915
    - exhaust; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8957 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7800
    & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8619 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9221
    - carburetor; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4854 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4894
    & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4272&page=2 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5988
    - remove governor (GXH50); http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8310&page=3
    - engine; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9208

    MODDING 101
    - lights; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9057 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9121
    - Large's clutch mod; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8729
    - throttle; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9239
    - double the gas tanks; http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6313
    - leaky gas cap; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8960&page=6
    - [keyed] killswitch; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9040 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8579

    FIRST PLACE CUSTOM BUILDS AND IDEAS
    - JohnnyGA's john deere bike; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5765
    - graucho's beast; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9064
    - Zomby Builder's beautiful ride; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6664
    - iRide Customs' custom ride; http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5574
    - van's trike; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7524
    - papa's trike; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6799
    - azvinnie's "tri-brid" trike; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7756
    - bama's trike w/ motor on front tire; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4630
    - willimoto's pocket rocket; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8898
    - nwguy's folding bike w/ motor on front & double the gears; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8166
    - simplest build ever; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uruaRsCHvk4
    - electric pedal assisted road bike; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsbOD09doRI
    - WIZARDOFOZONE's electric bike idea; http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7998
    - simple trailer pusher; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjEgsKqfi74
    - complex solar-powered trailer pusher idea; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zTLXoOgsik

    COMMONLY MENTIONED BRANDS/COMPANIES
    - electric motors/batteries, [re]sellers (... goldenmotor.com, poweridestore.com)
    - 2-stroke engines, [re]sellers (TLE33, TLE43, Rob/Subaru, Chung Yang... vizamotors.com, staton-inc.com, bikeengines.com)
    - 4-stroke engines, [re]sellers (GXH35, GXH50, Rob/Subaru... staton-inc.com, bikeengines.com)
    - kits, [re]sellers (thatsdax.com, bicycle-engines.com)
    - regular bikes, [re]sellers (bikebuyers.com, walmart)
    - pre-built motored bikes, [re]sellers (spookytoothcycles.com, whizzermotorbike.com, fiveflagsmotorbikes.com)
    - oil, [re]sellers (maxima castor 927, klotz super techniplate... rockymountainatv.com)
    - parts & accessories, [re]sellers (NuVinci hub, nice speedo gauge??, airfree tires, puncture resistant tires...
    kingsmotorbikes.com/bicycle_parts.htm, staton-inc.com, airfreetires.com, walmart); http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8857
    & http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5912 & http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5362

    OTHER COOL MOTORED BIKES / SCOOTERS / ATVsS
    - GoPed Riot; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMFSmLAFDlE
    - GoPed Trail Ripper; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW1HpzNlz9M
    - GoPed Go-Bike; http://www.davesmotors.com/goped-gobike.htm
    - 110cc ATV; http://www.atvdiscounter.com/ATVs/Size/110cc-22777/3938290-ATV-61/ProductInfo.aspx

    FUN VIDEOS
    - wanna-be evil knievel; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BirvQbYrhqQ
    - jet powered bicycle chased by police; http://www.livevideo.com/media/playvideo_fs.aspx?fs=1&cid=97299598054749118E9F73A0CCDA7BF7
    - scooter vs transam; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hsoXGYjgwM
    - amazing display of balance on a pit bike; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5v0F_nKjnI
    - HUGE wheelie; http://youtube.com/watch?v=9OuIRczVMaE
    - bicycle drifting; http://youtube.com/watch?v=rpl2o2nfxj8
    - wicked scenic ride; http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZahZu9KoZa8

    AWARENESS VIDEOS
    - awareness test; http://dothetest.co.uk
    - watch out for those crazy cagers; http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=1538920
    - crazy new york bicycle messenger race; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au0Zjn3eB9k
     
  14. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    I finally found a lil' bit of time to convert half of this outline to a more formal essay & add a few more links to the bottom. I should mostly be done tomorrow... but I still need more links & criticism. What do you guys think of the title, for example?

    Also, can Tom make a specific post or thread editable forever? That's the only way the "manual wiki" idea will work, otherwise everytime someone wants to edit the wiki, we'll have to start a whole new thread to keep the newest version of the wiki as the first post of the thread

    Here it is:

    +++++++++++++++++++++++
    v0.5 === A CRASH COURSE FOR MOTORED BIKE N00Bs ===
    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    This is a fairly comprehensive, yet brief summary to get n00bs on their way. Its purpose is getting n00bs on their way by pointing them in the right direction, keeping the forum clean by not rehashing basic questions, & keeping the mods sane. Do not mistake this as a be-all end-all guide for motored biking, and make sure to update it always with your favorite tips & links, whether it be with or without me if I happen to stop coming here for whatever reason (do this by quoting this post, copying the formatted version, and adding in your own touch).

    MBc FORUM BASICS

    First, you will need to introduce yourself in the "Introduce Yourself" forum. After that, most rules are self-evident to any successful forum. Don't be a jerk. Read, search, read some more, research, and THEN ask questions. Post in the right forum. No double or cross posting. No vendor spamming; there is a "Vender Area" just for you. No asking questions about things which are answered below. Bumping old threads for legitimate reasons is encouraged.

    There are some more specific suggestions for n00bs to this site. Check out the "Picture Gallery" for ideas. When posting your own pictures, do not use tags; instead, go to the advanced editor & click the "Manage Attachments" button under the Addition Options section.

    You'll also want to know a few common terms around here: MBc = MotoredBikes.com; Happy Time (HT) = generic Chinese 2-stroke engine from kings/dax/starfire/spooky/etc; WOT = wide open throttle; dino = conventional oil; cager = a car or other vehicle that will destroy you upon impact.

    [B]MOTORED BIKING BASICS[/B]

    I cannot stress how important it is to be as safe as you possibly can while exposed to open punishment from cagers & even the road. There are some basic tips you might not think about. Don't wear synthetic clothes, because if you do get burned, the material could melt into your skin. Don't wear shorts. Do not drink alcohol; you will get a DUI, because even regular bikers must follow normal traffic rules. Be afraid of cagers, but don't be afraid to take up some room on the road... they will go around you regardless of how much space you leave for yourself. Definitely use front & rear lights if you will ride at night. And try to wear bright colored clothes, or use a safety flag, in order to make the elderly more aware of your presence, during the day time & night time. Don't forget to be completely aware of your surroundings, and learn the saying "look before you leap". Always check for loose bolts or chains & any leaks. Have good brakes & tires, and consider a chain guard to keep your pant legs from getting caught in a position you won't appreciate. Avoid loose gravel/dirt/sand/pebbles like the plague. And last but not least, don't forget to wear your helmet!!

    Now, for the legality of motored bikes. Certain assisted bicycles could be allowed in one region of a state/province/nation, but not in another. The extent of this guide really only allows for federal laws, because your individual city can place restrictions on something the national government hasn't regulated. As of now, the U.S. government has only allowed electric bicycles to fly under the radar of officers across the country. Some states & cities ban gas-powered bicycles, but Arizona is one state that specifically allows gas-assisted bicycles so long as the engine is less than the common 50cc limit. It is your duty to contact your local officials & even to inform them of laws your legislature has passed. Or it could also be your duty to inform your legislature that assisted bicycles do not need regulation.

    Once you've figured all this out, you should consider what type of bicycle frame(s) do you desire. There are several: cruiser, chopper, mountain, road, bmx, folding, trike, recumbent, recumbent trike, or even unicycle if you dare. A thread discussing the differences between cruisers & mountain bikes can be found [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5186"]here[/URL].

    Next, you need to consider whether your frame is capable of frame-mounting or if you'd prefer rack-mounting. Most people choose frame-mounted because of aesthetic reasons; they want something that looks like a motorcycle by filling that huge hole between the frame. Typically, a 14" gap is needed along the seatpost, from the top of the crank to the bottom of the top horizontal bar. A V-style frame is usually easiest to work with frame-mounted engines. Wider engines like 4-strokes will prolly require a wider crank. Frame-mounted setups also don't easily work with rear suspension frames. Frame-mounted engines could burn your calves if you don't wear pants.

    Then, you will need to consider whether you'd be best with a 2-stroke, 4-stroke, or electric motor. Size, weight, price, & being largely maintenance-free goes to the 2-strokes. You don't need to drain/change oil, simply mix the 2-stroke oil with a gallon of gas at a time & keep pouring until the engine stops purring. Most 2-cycle engines also win in the area of being able to bump start the engine by releasing the clutch lever while you're pedaling. 2-cycles are also best suited on a motored bike that folds & one that will be tipped or flipped. These 2-strokes generally allow for more horsepower, which means a greater top speed. [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4997"]This thread[/URL] talks about how a 2-stroke will still win in a race against a 4-stroke of the same displacement, even if the sprockets are properly matched with the strengths of the specific type of engine.

    On the other hand, 4-strokes make a pretty efficient motored bike due to their complexity. They get better gas mileage, more torque, & not only do they emit less noise into your surrounding, but also less pollution. Due to the nature of 4-cycle engines, you must change the oil. You might even need to do some valve adjustments. All of this leads to a generally more reliable system than a 2-cycle.

    Lastly, we have the electric motor. There are brushless hubs, chain-driven motors, & friction-driven motors. Its only limiting factor is the capacity of fairly expensive batteries. With time, Lithium Polymer batteries will become cheaper & their range will grow. Electric bicycles are virtually silent, are considered most everywhere as consumer product, not vehicles, and are one of our best hopes for saving the oil that we will never be able to reproduce [without an excessively wasteful cost in the conversion process].

    As hinted above, there are many ways to connect the output shaft of a gas-powered engine to a tire: a belt, chain, or friction roller. Each has its pros & cons. Friction rollers are the easiest to install, and if you swap your current roller with a larger or smaller substitute, you can alter your bike's performance on the power versus torque scale. Friction rollers eat up tires, tho... and they don't perform too well in wet conditions.

    Belt-driven setups tend to be regarded as the smoothest of rides, requiring virtually no maintenance, but sometimes a replacement belt is necessary. They also slip in wet conditions like friction rollers. Belts can also easily be popped on or off the engine's driveshaft for easy pedalling.

    Chain setups are the noisiest, heaviest, & hardest to install. And as long as the chain is kept lubricated with WD-40 or PB Blaster, the chain is kept tight, & the drive wheel is properly trued or balanced, you will have a very reliable & snappy setup that works in virtually any environment where humans can breathe. More complex freewheel setups allow for a [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8978"]pedal crank freewheel[/URL] to bump start Happy Time engines, or double freewheels on the rear hub. Also like friction rollers, sprockets can be swapped to gear yourself for more torque or greater top speed.

    There's also a less popular, but more versatile way to push your bike along, and that's with [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjEgsKqfi74"]a trailer pusher[/URL]. You can use any motor & drive system to accompany a simple, one-wheeled trailer that attaches to your seatpost. Simply clamp it on & hook up the throttle cable, and you can motorize almost every human powered contraption with wheels.

    You're probably curious as to what type of speed & mpg you will reach with your setup. Chances are you'll fall inbetween 100~200mpg & 25-40mph. There are prolly some extremists who don't fall in these ranges because they want the fastest motored bike around. It's important to remember that bicycles aren't designed to travel 40+mph; these aren't motorcycles. Overall, it's tough to say what you should expect because your unique system will have its own efficiencies & inefficiencies, like engine/sprocket/wheel sizes & how much you actually pedal.

    [B]PETROL[/B]

    As most of you already know, 2-strokes need 2-stroke oil, & 4-strokes need 4-stroke oil. One of the best tips you can receive for oil is to follow the manufacturer's suggestions. The only real tip for 4-strokes is change the oil after 5~7hrs forthe first time break-in, and then every 10~25hrs thereafter.

    2-cycle oil needs to be mixed with the gas before pouring into the tank. For the break-in period of a gallon or so, use a tad more conventional dino oil only to make sure the engine is properly lubricated. You might even want to add this extra oil straight down the sparkplug hole, directly into the cylinder.

    To properly mix 2-cycle oil & gasoline, you're best off using a 1 gallon container, because mixed fuel that sits for longer than a month can go stale. Also, you should avoid gasoline that contains ethanol. To properly calculate the amount of oil you need, find your recommended gas:eek:il ratio, then divide 128 (number of ounces in your gallon gas tank) by the ratio. For example, 128oz/50 = 2.56oz and 128oz/25 = 5.12oz Fill the can a third of the way with gas, pour in your 3-6oz of oil, then fill up the can the rest of the way, and don't forget to shake well.

    During break-in, you'll want to take it easy on the engine, gradually engaging the throttle more and more as time goes by. Always let the engine warm up, then ride it with just 25% throttle for several minutes. Next, pull the throttle about halfway for a short period of time, & then rest the engine after every 15 min of runtime. Repeat this process, making sure to let the engine warm up then cool down, Again, gradually engage the throttle more and more, but don't run it wide open for the first tank or so.

    After break-in, you'll want to switch from regular dino oil to a full synthetic or 80% synthetic / 20% castor bean oil mix. Castor oil has its benefits, but I don't think too many people run their engines with castor bean oil only. Some of the best brands of 2-stroke oil are Amsoil, Royal Purple, & Redline. The two best 80/20 synthetic/castor mixes are [URL="http://www.rockymountainatv.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&navTitle=Chemicals&webTypeId=397&webCatId=23&prodFamilyId=3222"]Maxima Castor 927[/URL] & [URL="http://www.rockymountainatv.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&navTitle=Chemicals&webTypeId=397&webCatId=23&prodFamilyId=3120"]Klotz Super Techniplate[/URL].

    You'll also want to learn how to "read" your spark plug to check if your cylinder is receiving the proper air/fuel/oil ratio. [URL="http://www.theultralightplace.com/sparkplugs.htm"]Here's a site[/URL] that shows you what the plug should look like, and [URL="http://www.verrill.com/moto/sellingguide/sparkplugs/plugcolorchart.htm"]here's another site[/URL].

    You should also understand how to judge whether you need more or less oil in your mix, depending on certain circumstances. If you you will run WOT for a long time, you'll need more oil. Smaller engines need more oil. Higher RPM engines need more oil. Engines with a heavy load (i.e. - rider and/or trailer) need more oil. Warmer temps may need more oil. And elevation will also affect how much oil you need due to a changing air/fuel ratio.

    [B]SPROCKETS/FREEWHEELS[/B]
    - lacing spokes thru a sprocket (works best with 10-12g spokes, the_wheelmaster is a safe bet);
    [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9316[/url]
    - double freewheel setups
    - pedal crank freewheel; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8978[/url]
    - gear reduction; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8802[/url]

    [B]GEARBOXES / CVT FOR MOTOR[/B]
    - tranny comparisons; [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7624[/url]
    - ghetto shifters (derailers, hubs w/ internal gears)
    - Staton CVT
    - NuVinci CVP hub; [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=c9t_uQc-NQ0[/url] & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6899&page=9[/url]
    & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9199[/url]

    [B]GUIDES & TIPS FOR BUILDERS[/B]
    - general tips for builders (use rubber/leather inserts for motor mounts, replace all cheap bolts/nuts with grade A US stuff,
    use loctite, take your time)
    - custom engine mounts; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9365[/url]
    - 2-stroke; [url]http://www.livefastmotors.com/pdf/two_cycle.pdf[/url] & [url]http://www.bcmoped.com/download/install2.pdf[/url] &
    [url]http://motoredbikes.versionate.com/#/document/view/7743;Motored_bikes_manual_Happy_time_-_V1.0[/url]
    - 4-stroke;
    - frames; [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9367[/url]
    - motored bike book; [url]http://ia331303.us.archive.org/2/items/motorbicyclebuil00hasliala/motorbicyclebuil00hasliala.pdf[/url]

    [B]BASIC REPAIR & MAINTENANCE[/B]
    - tools for the ride; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5960[/url]
    - no flats (airfree tires, thick liners or cut up street tires, thicker puncture-resistant tubes)
    - chain adjustments
    - brake adjustments
    - mistakes we all make; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6004[/url]

    [B]ADVANCED REPAIR, MAINTENANCE, & TUNING[/B]
    - homemade dyno; hthttp://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9418tp://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7500
    - general horsepower thread(s); [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8915[/url]
    - exhaust; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8957[/url] & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7800[/url]
    & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8619[/url] & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9221[/url]
    - carburetor; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4854[/url] & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4894[/url]
    & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4272&page=2[/url] & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5988[/url]
    - remove governor (GXH50); [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8310&page=3[/url]
    - engine; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9208[/url]
    - leaky intake or exhaust (permatex 1A); [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showpost.php?p=61262&postcount=7[/url]
    - leaky gas cap (permatex 3J, 3H, or 3D, RectorSeal No. 7, yellow teflon tape, cork gasket, cheesecloth);
    [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8960&page=6[/url]

    [B]MODDING 101[/B]
    - lights; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9057[/url] & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9121[/url]
    & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6581[/url] & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4671[/url]
    & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9366[/url]
    - Large's clutch mod; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8729[/url]
    - throttle; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9239[/url]
    - add pull start to happy time; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9244[/url]
    - double the gas tanks; [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6313[/url]
    - [keyed] killswitch; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9040[/url] & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8579[/url]

    [B]FIRST PLACE CUSTOM BUILDS AND IDEAS[/B]
    - JohnnyGA's john deere bike; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5765[/url]
    - graucho's beast; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9064[/url]
    - Alan's super clean cruiser; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9374[/url]
    - Blaze's Schwinn Stingray; [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9418[/url]
    - Zomby Builder's beautiful ride; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6664[/url]
    - iRide Customs' custom ride; [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5574[/url]
    - van's trike; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7524[/url]
    - papa's trike; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6799[/url]
    - azvinnie's "tri-brid" trike; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7756[/url]
    - bama's trike w/ motor on front tire; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4630[/url]
    - willimoto's pocket rocket; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8898[/url]
    - nwguy's folding bike w/ motor on front & double the gears; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8166[/url]
    - smallest motored bike: [url]http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a392/iRide_616/Magna%20Force/?action=view&current=MVI_2119.flv[/url]
    - simplest weedeater build ever; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uruaRsCHvk4[/url]
    - electric pedal assisted road bike; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsbOD09doRI[/url]
    - WIZARDOFOZONE's electric bike idea; [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7998[/url]
    - simple trailer pusher; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjEgsKqfi74[/url]
    - complex solar-powered trailer pusher idea; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zTLXoOgsik[/url]
    - motorized unicycle; [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9393[/url]

    [B]COMMONLY MENTIONED BRANDS/COMPANIES[/B]
    - electric motors/batteries, [re]sellers (... goldenmotor.com, poweridestore.com, [url]http://www.cyclone-tw.com/order.htm[/url])
    - 2-stroke engines, [re]sellers (TLE33, TLE43, Rob/Subaru, Chung Yang... vizamotors.com, staton-inc.com, bikeengines.com)
    - 4-stroke engines, [re]sellers (GXH35, GXH50, Rob/Subaru... staton-inc.com, bikeengines.com)
    - kits, [re]sellers (thatsdax.com, bicycle-engines.com, bikemotor.com)
    - regular bikes, [re]sellers (bikebuyers.com, walmart)
    - pre-built motored bikes, [re]sellers (spookytoothcycles.com, whizzermotorbike.com, bikemotor.com,
    fiveflagsmotorbikes.com)
    - oil, [re]sellers (maxima castor 927, klotz super techniplate... rockymountainatv.com)
    - parts & accessories, [re]sellers (NuVinci hub, nice speedo gauge??, airfree tires, puncture resistant tires...
    kingsmotorbikes.com/bicycle_parts.htm, staton-inc.com, airfreetires.com, walmart);
    [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8857[/url] & [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5912[/url]
    & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5362[/url]
    & [url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=94479[/url]

    [B]OTHER COOL MOTORED BIKES / SCOOTERS / ATVsS[/B]
    - GoPed Riot; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMFSmLAFDlE[/url]
    - GoPed Trail Ripper; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW1HpzNlz9M[/url]
    - GoPed Go-Bike; [url]http://www.davesmotors.com/goped-gobike.htm[/url]
    - 110cc ATV; [url]http://www.atvdiscounter.com/ATVs/Size/110cc-22777/3938290-ATV-61/ProductInfo.aspx[/url]

    [B]FUN VIDEOS[/B]
    - wanna-be evil knievel; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BirvQbYrhqQ[/url]
    - jet powered bicycle chased by police;
    [url]http://www.livevideo.com/media/playvideo_fs.aspx?fs=1&cid=97299598054749118E9F73A0CCDA7BF7[/url]
    - scooter vs transam; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hsoXGYjgwM[/url]
    - amazing display of balance on a pit bike; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5v0F_nKjnI[/url]
    - HUGE wheelie; [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=9OuIRczVMaE[/url]
    - bicycle drifting; [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=rpl2o2nfxj8[/url]
    - wicked scenic ride; [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZahZu9KoZa8[/url]

    [B]AWARENESS VIDEOS[/B]
    - awareness test; [url]http://dothetest.co.uk[/url]
    - watch out for those crazy cagers; [url]http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=1538920[/url]
    - crazy new york bicycle messenger race; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au0Zjn3eB9k[/url]
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2008
  15. Alan

    Alan Member

    You are one wise man, Alaskavan. I've seen this happen before. Lists are good to save us the hassle of answering twice, but when the social aspect of a forum is diminished, it gets quieter.
     
  16. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    We must be doing a pretty good job then, eh?

    If this place does get any quieter, it's because people will have more time to fantasize & start new projects. The discussions we do have will be more technically advanced.

    But really... from the 3 sections that I've written so far -- MBc Forum, Motored Biking Basics, & Petrol -- I'm only giving out general information that no senior member wants to repeat over & over again, nor tell a n00b to read, read, read when the basics could be answered in 20 paragraphs or so. The rest of the sections I really know nothing about, so they'll mostly just be lotsa links.

    It speeds up the process of training n00bs how this place operates, general motored biking info, & it mostly points them to other threads here for deeper research & questioning. There are many threads that deserve to be on this list, but I haven't found 'em yet. And there will be many more threads that deserve to be here, also.

    This is known as progression!
     
  17. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    I finally found some time to finish this.

    Here's the beta version. Everything's been linked except for the list of commonly mentioned brands/companies. I will proof read once more later tonight, but for now I must sleeeeep. G'nite everyone!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++
    V 0.9 ============================
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    THE CRASH COURSE FOR MOTORED BIKE N00BS


    This is a fairly comprehensive, yet brief summary to get n00bs on their way. It points them in the right direction, keeping the mods sane & the forum clean by not rehashing basic questions. Do not mistake this as a be-all end-all guide for motored biking, and make sure to update it with your favorite tips & links, whether it be with or without me (if I ever happen to stop coming here for whatever reason). You can do this by quoting this post, copying the formatted version, and adding in your own touch.

    MBc FORUM BASICS

    Forum Rules
    First, if you want to be a member here, you will need to introduce yourself in the "Introduce Yourself" forum. After that, most rules are self-evident to any successful forum. Don't be a jerk. Read, search, read some more, research, and THEN ask questions. Take your time familiarizing yourself with the forum, and then post in the right forum section. No double or cross posting. No vendor spamming; there is a "Vender Area" just for product announcements & other such things. No asking questions about things which are answered below. Bumping old threads for legitimate reasons is encouraged.

    Unique Forum Advice
    There are some more unique suggestions for to MotoredBikes.com. Check out the MBc-Tube thread & the "Picture Gallery" for ideas. When posting your own pictures, do not use tags; instead, go to the advanced editor & click the "Manage Attachments" button under the Addition Options section. After you've been here a while, you might want to start clicking the [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/search.php?do=getdaily"]"Today's Posts"[/URL] link at the top of the page, or [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/search.php?do=getnew"]"New Posts"[/URL] if you're registered & logged in.

    [I]Definitions[/I]
    You'll also want to know a few common terms around here: MBc = MotoredBikes.com ... Happy Time (HT) = generic, Chinese 2-stroke engine from kings/dax/starfire/spooky/etc ... WOT = wide open throttle ... dino = conventional oil ... cager = a car or other vehicle that will flatten you & your bike upon impact.

    [B]MOTORED BIKING BASICS[/B]

    [I]Safety[/I]
    I cannot stress to you enough how important safety is to most of us here. You will be exposed to open punishment from cagers and/or even the road if you don't "look before you leap". Here are some basic tips you might not think about. Don't wear synthetic clothes, because if you're burnt badly enough from your exhaust, the material could melt into your skin. Don't wear shorts. Do not drink alcohol; you will get a DUI, because even regular bikers must follow normal traffic rules. Be afraid of cagers, but don't be afraid to take up some room on the road... they will go around you regardless of how much space you leave for yourself. Never ride at night without front & rear lights. Regardless of the time of day, try to wear brightly colored clothes, or use a safety flag in order to make the elderly more aware of your presence. Always be completely aware of your surroundings. Always check for loose bolts or chains & any leaks, preferably everyday. Have good brakes & tires, and consider a chain guard to keep your pant legs from getting caught in a position you won't appreciate. Avoid loose gravel/dirt/sand/pebbles like the plague. And last but not least, don't forget to wear your helmet!!

    [I]Legality[/I]
    Legality is a tricky topic. Certain assisted bicycles could possibly be allowed in one region of a state/province/nation, but not another. The extent of this guide really only allows for federal laws, because your individual city or state can place restrictions on something the national government hasn't regulated. As of now, the U.S. government has only allowed electric bicycles to fly under the radar of officers across the country. Some states & cities ban gas-powered bicycles, but Arizona is one state that specifically allows gas-assisted bicycles so long as the engine is less than the common 50cc limit. It is your duty to contact your local officials & even to inform them of laws your legislature has passed. Or it could also be your duty to inform your legislature that assisted bicycles do not need regulation.

    [I]Choose Your Frame[/I]
    Once you've figured all this out, you should consider what type of bicycle frame(s) do you desire. There are several: cruiser, chopper, mountain, road, bmx, folding, trike, recumbent, recumbent trike, or even unicycle if you dare. A thread discussing the differences between cruisers & mountain bikes can be found [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5186"]here[/URL].

    [I]Frame -vs- Rack -vs Trailer Mounting[/I]
    Next, you need to consider where you want to mount your engine. Most people choose frame-mounted for the aesthetics; they want something that looks like a motorcycle by filling that huge hole inside the frame. A V-style frame is usually easiest to work with frame-mounted engines. Your frame is prolly capable of frame-mounting a 2-stroke if there is a 14" gap along the seatpost, from the top of the crank to the bottom ofthe top horizontal bar. Wider engines, like 4-strokes, will prolly require a wider crank. Frame-mounted setups also don't easily work with rear suspension frames. Frame-mounted engines could burn your calves if you don't wear pants.

    There's also a less popular, but more versatile way to push your bike along, and that's with a [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5261"]trailer[/URL] [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjEgsKqfi74"]pusher[/URL]. You can use any motor & drive system to accompany a simple, one-wheeled trailer that attaches to your seatpost. Simply clamp it on & hook up the throttle cable, and you can motorize almost every human powered contraption with wheels.

    [I]2-Stroke -vs- 4-Stroke -vs Electric[/I]
    Then, you will need to consider whether you'd be best with a 2-stroke, 4-stroke, or electric motor. Size, weight, price, & being largely maintenance-free goes to the 2-strokes. You don't need to drain/change the oil; simply mix the 2-stroke oil with a gallon of gas at a time & keep on pouring until the engine stops purring. Most 2-cycle engines also win in the area of being able to bump start the engine by releasing the clutch lever while you're pedaling. 2-cycles are also best suited on a motored bike that folds & one that will be tipped or flipped. These 2-strokes generally allow for more horsepower, which means a greater top speed. [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4997"]This thread[/URL] talks about how a 2-stroke will still win in a race against a 4-stroke of the same displacement, even if the sprockets are properly matched with the strengths of the specific type of engine.

    On the other hand, 4-strokes make a pretty efficient motored bike due to their complexity. They get better gas mileage, more torque, & not only do they emit less noise into your surrounding, but also less pollution. Due to the nature of 4-cycle engines, you must change the oil. You might even need to do some valve adjustments. All of this leads to a generally more reliable system than a 2-cycle.

    Lastly, we have the electric motor. There are brushless hubs, chain-driven motors, & friction-driven motors. Its only limiting factor is the capacity of fairly expensive batteries. With time, Lithium Polymer batteries will become cheaper & their range will grow. Electric bicycles are virtually silent, are considered most everywhere as consumer product, not vehicles, and are one of our best hopes for saving the oil that we will never be able to reproduce [without an excessively wasteful cost in the conversion process].

    [I]Belt -vs Chain -vs Friction Drive[/I]
    As hinted above, there are many ways to connect the output shaft of a gas-powered engine to a tire: a belt, chain, or friction roller. Each has its pros & cons. Friction rollers are the easiest to install, and if you swap your current roller with a larger or smaller substitute, you can alter your bike's performance on the power versus torque scale. Friction rollers eat up tires, tho... and they don't perform too well in wet conditions.

    Belt-driven setups tend to be regarded as the smoothest of rides, requiring virtually no maintenance, but sometimes a replacement belt is necessary. They also slip in wet conditions like friction rollers. Belts can also easily be popped on or off the engine's driveshaft for easy pedalling.

    Chain setups are the noisiest, heaviest, & hardest to install. And as long as the chain is kept lubricated with WD-40 or PB Blaster, the chain is kept tight, & the drive wheel is properly trued or balanced, you will have a very reliable & snappy setup that works in virtually any environment where humans can breathe. More complex freewheel setups allow for a [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8978"]pedal crank freewheel[/URL] to bump start Happy Time engines, or double freewheels on the rear hub. Also like friction rollers, sprockets can be swapped to gear yourself for more torque or greater top speed.

    [I]Speed & MPG[/I]
    You're prolly curious as to what type of speed & mpg you will reach with your setup. Chances are you'll fall inbetween 100~200mpg & 25-40mph. There are prolly some extremists who don't fall in these ranges because they want the fastest motored bike around. It's important to remember that bicycles aren't designed to travel 40+mph; these aren't motorcycles. Overall, it's tough to say what you should expect because your unique system will have its own efficiencies & inefficiencies, like engine/sprocket/wheel sizes & how much you actually pedal.

    [B]PETROL[/B]

    As most of you already know, 2-strokes need 2-stroke oil, & 4-strokes need 4-stroke oil. One of the best tips you can receive for oil is to follow the manufacturer's suggestions. The only real tip for 4-strokes is to change the oil after 5~7hrs for the first time break-in, and then every 10~25hrs thereafter.

    2-Cycle oil needs to be mixed with the gas before pouring into the tank. For the break-in period of a gallon or so, use a tad more conventional dino oil only to make sure the engine is properly lubricated. You might even want to add this extra oil straight down the sparkplug hole, directly into the cylinder.

    [I]Mixing 2-Cycle Oil[/I]
    To properly mix 2-cycle oil & gasoline, you're best off using a 1 gallon container, because mixed fuel that sits for longer than a month can go stale. Also, you should avoid gasoline that contains ethanol. To properly calculate the amount of oil you need, find your recommended gas:eek:il ratio, then divide 128 (number of ounces in your gallon gas tank) by the ratio. For example, for 50:1 use 128oz/50 = 2.56oz and for 25:1 use 128oz/25 = 5.12oz Fill the can a third of the way with gas, pour in your 3-6oz of oil, then fill up the can the rest of the way, and don't forget to shake well.

    [I]Break-In[/I]
    During break-in, you'll want to take it easy on the engine, gradually engaging the throttle more and more as time goes by. Always let the engine warm up, then ride it with just 25% throttle for several minutes. Next, pull the throttle about halfway for a short period of time, & then rest the engine after every 15 min of runtime. Repeat this process, making sure to let the engine warm up then cool down, Again, gradually engage the throttle more and more, but don't run it wide open for the first tank or so.

    [I]Switching To Better 2-Cycle Oil[/I]
    After break-in, you'll prolly want to switch from regular dino oil to a full synthetic or 80% synthetic / 20% castor bean oil mix, but you certainly can stick with the regular dino if you so choose. Castor oil has its benefits, but I don't think too many people run their engines only with castor bean oil anymore. Some of the best brands of 2-stroke oil are Amsoil, Royal Purple, & Redline. The two best 80/20 synthetic/castor mixes are [URL="http://www.rockymountainatv.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&navTitle=Chemicals&webTypeId=397&webCatId=23&prodFamilyId=3222"]Maxima Castor 927[/URL] & [URL="http://www.rockymountainatv.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&navTitle=Chemicals&webTypeId=397&webCatId=23&prodFamilyId=3120"]Klotz Super Techniplate[/URL].

    [I]"Reading" The Spark Plug[/I]
    You'll also want to learn how to "read" your spark plug. This essentially provides clues to whether or not your cylinder is receiving the proper air/fuel/oil ratio. [URL="http://www.theultralightplace.com/sparkplugs.htm"]Here's a site[/URL] that shows you what the plug should look like, and [URL="http://www.verrill.com/moto/sellingguide/sparkplugs/plugcolorchart.htm"]here's another site[/URL].

    [I]Judging The Proper Fuel/Oil Ratio Based On Environmental Effects[/I]
    You should also understand how to judge whether you need more or less oil in your mix, depending on certain circumstances. If you you will run WOT for a long time, you'll need more oil. Smaller engines need more oil. Higher RPM engines need more oil. Engines with a heavy load (i.e. - rider and/or trailer) need more oil. Warmer temps may need more oil. And elevation will also affect how much oil you need, because higher elevations have colder, denser air.

    [B]SPROCKETS/FREEWHEELS[/B]
    - Lacing a sprocket thru spokes works best with 10-12g spokes. The_wheelmaster is a safe bet if you can't do it yourself. And go [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9316"]here[/URL] to find out how to drill your own holes for an odd number of spokes.
    - Double freewheel setups [B](empty, need links)[/B]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8978"]Pedal crank freewheel for Happy Time setups[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8802"]Gear reduction[/URL]

    [B]GEARBOXES / CVT FOR MOTOR[/B]
    - [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7624"]Tranny comparisons[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.staton-inc.com/Details.asp?ProductID=2651"]Staton CVT[/URL]
    - [URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=c9t_uQc-NQ0"]NuVinci CVP hub[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6899&page=9"](2)[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9199"](3)[/URL]
    - Or you can just setup a ghetto transmission by using derailers or internlly geared hubs, tho with internal gears you must take it easy, at a minimum letting off the throttle while shifting.

    [B]GUIDES & TIPS FOR BUILDERS[/B]
    - General tips for builders: use rubber/leather inserts for motor mounts, replace all cheap bolts/nuts with grade A US stuff, use Loctite, & take your time.
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9365"]Custom engine mounts[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4770"]Chainsaws, weedwhackers, etc.[/URL]
    - [URL="http://motoredbikes.versionate.com/#/document/view/7743;Motored_bikes_manual_Happy_time_-_V1.0"]2-strokes[/URL] [URL="http://www.livefastmotors.com/pdf/two_cycle.pdf"](2)[/URL] [URL="http://www.bcmoped.com/download/install2.pdf"](3)[/URL]
    - 4-strokes [B](empty, need links)[/B]
    - [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9367"]Custom frames[/URL]
    - [URL="http://ia331303.us.archive.org/2/items/motorbicyclebu-il00hasliala/motorbicyclebuil00hasliala.pdf"]Old school motored bike book[/URL]

    [B]BASIC REPAIR & MAINTENANCE[/B]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5960"]Tools for the ride[/URL]
    - Consider that a busted inner tube at an unexpected time is something you can avoid easily with thick liners or cut up street tires, thicker puncture-resistant tubes, or you could go way out there and buy [URL="http://www.airfreetires.com/"]AirFree tires[/URL].
    - Don't get chain too tight or too loose. If you need to add/remove links in the chain, look for the master link w/clip.
    - Adjustments to brake cables will prolly need to be made after first couple hundred miles ridden on new bikes.
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6004"]Mistakes we all make[/URL]

    [B]ADVANCED REPAIR, MAINTENANCE, & TUNING[/B]
    - [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7500"]Homemade dyno[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8915"]General horsepower thread(s)[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8957"]Exhaust[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7800"](2)[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8619"](3)[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9221"](4)[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4854"]Carburetor[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4894"](2)[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4272&page=2"](3)[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5988"](4)[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4976"](5)[/URL]
    - [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8310&page=3"]Remove governor (GXH50)[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9208"]Engine[/URL]
    - [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showpost.php?p=61262&postcount=7"]Leaky intake or exhaust (permatex 1A)[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8960"]Leaky gas cap[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showpost.php?p=109619&postcount=27"](2)[/URL]

    [B]MODDING 101[/B]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9057"]Lights[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9121"](2)[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6581"](3)[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4671"](4)[/URL] [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9366"](5)[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8729"]Large's clutch mod[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9239"]Throttle[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9244"]Add pull start to happy time[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6313"]Double the gas tanks[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8579"]Toggled switch[/URL], [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9040"]Keyed switch[/URL], & [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9559"]A more professional keyed ignition switch[/URL]

    [B]FIRST PLACE CUSTOM BUILDS AND IDEAS[/B]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5765"]JohnnyGA's John Deere bike[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9064"]Graucho's beast[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showpost.php?p=110088&postcount=7"]Gracho's greatest paint jobs[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6750"]Greenblazer's green fuzzy chopper[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9374"]Alan's super clean cruiser[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9418"]Blaze's Schwinn Stingray[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6664"]Zomby Builder's beautiful ride[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5574"]iRide Customs' custom ride[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7524"]Alaskavan's trike[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=6799"]Papasaun's trike[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7756"]Azvinnie's "tri-brid" trike[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4630"]Bamabikeguy's trike w/ motor on front tire[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8898"]Willimoto's pocket rocket[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8166"]Nwguy's folding bike w/ motor on front & double the gears[/URL]
    - [URL="http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a392/iRide_616/Magna%20Force/?action=view&current=MVI_2119.flv"]Smallest motored bike ever[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uruaRsCHvk4']Simplest weedeater build ever[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsbOD09doRI"]Electric pedal assisted road bike[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=7998"]WIZARDOFOZONE's electric bike idea[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjEgsKqfi74"]Simple trailer pusher[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zTLXoOgsik"]Complex solar-powered trailer pusher idea[/URL]
    - [URL="http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=9393"]Motorized unicycle[/URL]

    [B]COMMONLY MENTIONED BRANDS/COMPANIES[/B]
    - electric motors/batteries, [re]sellers (... goldenmotor.com, electricrider.com, poweridestore.com, [url]http://www.cyclone-tw.com/order.htm[/url])
    - 2-stroke engines, [re]sellers (TLE33, TLE43, Rob/Subaru, Chung Yang... vizamotors.com, staton-inc.com, bikeengines.com)
    - 4-stroke engines, [re]sellers (GXH35, GXH50, Rob/Subaru... staton-inc.com, bikeengines.com)
    - kits, [re]sellers (thatsdax.com, bicycle-engines.com, bikemotor.com)
    - regular bikes, [re]sellers (bikebuyers.com, walmart)
    - pre-built motored bikes, [re]sellers (spookytoothcycles.com, whizzermotorbike.com, bikemotor.com,
    fiveflagsmotorbikes.com)
    - oil, [re]sellers (maxima castor 927, klotz super techniplate... rockymountainatv.com)
    - parts & accessories, [re]sellers (NuVinci hub, nice speedo gauge??, airfree tires, puncture resistant tires...
    kingsmotorbikes.com/bicycle_parts.htm, staton-inc.com, airfreetires.com, walmart);
    [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=8857[/url] & [url]http://motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5912[/url]
    & [url]http://www.motoredbikes.com/showthread.php?t=5362[/url]
    & [url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=94479[/url]

    [B]OTHER COOL MOTORED BIKES / SCOOTERS / ATVsS[/B]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMFSmLAFDlE"]GoPed Riot[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW1HpzNlz9M"]GoPed Trail Ripper[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.davesmotors.com/goped-gobike.htm"]GoPed Go-Bike[/URL]
    - [URL=http://www.atvdiscounter.com/ATVs/Size/110cc-22777/3938290-ATV-61/ProductInfo.aspx]110cc ATV[/URL]

    [B]FUN VIDEOS[/B]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BirvQbYrhqQ"]Wanna-be evil knievel[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.livevideo.com/media/playvideo_fs.aspx?fs=1&cid=97299598054749118E9F73A0CCDA7BF7"]Jet powered bicycle chased by police[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hsoXGYjgwM"]Scooter -vs- Trans Am[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5v0F_nKjnI"]Amazing display of balance on a pit bike[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OuIRczVMaE"]HUGE wheelie[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpl2o2nfxj8"]Bicycle drifting[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZahZu9KoZa8"]Wicked scenic ride[/URL]

    [B]AWARENESS VIDEOS[/B]
    - [URL="http://dothetest.co.uk"]Awareness test[/URL]
    - [URL="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=1538920"]Watch out for those crazy cagers[/URL]
    - [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au0Zjn3eB9k"]Crazy New York bicycle messenger race[/URL]
     
  18. Ozzie

    Ozzie New Member

    Just like Decompiler I am trying to read every link and every post before I start my first build... but you guys keep adding posts! . . . GIVE US A CHANCE WILL YA!!!



    (I'm kidding)
     
  19. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    staton sells high quality motors (both 2 stroke and 4 stroke), kits, and a lot of various parts, including freewheel sprockets.

    Also, using LIST tags can greatly help the formatting, Sparky.

    For Instance

    [noparse]
    • First Option
    • Second Option
    • Third Option
    [/noparse] produces this:
    • First Option
    • Second Option
    • Third Option

    You can also nest lists, like an outline.

    [noparse]
    • First Option
    • Second Option
    • Third Option
      1. option 3-1
      2. option 3-2
      3. option 3-3
    [/noparse]
    produces this:
    • First Option
    • Second Option
    • Third Option
      1. option 3-1
      2. option 3-2
      3. option 3-3

    Ref the vB code list
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2008
  20. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    Sparky, I would also suggest that you lose some of the "Fun" video links that point to illegal or just really stupid stunts.

    • Jet powered bicycle chased by police: Illegal. No further comment, since the content filter at work blocks the site.
    • Scooter -vs- Trans Am: Illegal. How many times have illegal drag races led to participants, other drivers, or spectators dying?
    • Bicycle drifting: Illegal, HIGHLY reckless operation in busy traffic, and plain stupid. This is the kind of stupidity that gives ALL bicycle riders in an area a bad reputation and leads to hassles by the police
    • Wicked scenic ride: Illegal, stupid stunts at 60-70 mph.

    If we make this post a reference, it implies that we approve of the content. But, we really don't want to be promoting illegal or reckless activities here. I would HATE it if someone followed those links, tried some of the same stunts and got seriously hurt or killed. And, if that happened, how long until this site got sued right out of existence?
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2008
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