jesse james motorized??

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by jtbarnes89, Oct 3, 2010.

  1. jtbarnes89

    jtbarnes89 Member


  2. skrufryder

    skrufryder Member

    Personly I think you would be better off withh the occ stingray. The back bone of the jesse james is at a realy sharp ange, and the bike it self weights a ton. I would like to see an occ stingray with one of the new 4g 4strokes on it... I had picked up a jesse james bike with a 66 2 stroke on it.... It was a real mess.. I scraped it for parts. I was realy amazed on how HEAVY the frame was. www.roadhazzards.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=72610114
     
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  3. motorpsycho

    motorpsycho Active Member

    first of all, i would like to express my opinion on those bikes.
    they are not impressive builds at all.
    the engines look like they are the same ones you can get out of a 49 c.c. mini chopper.
    look up roketa and you will find this style of engine, which is based on an old honda design. (horizontal cylinder.) it appears that he used a roketa (or honda) horizontal 50 c.c. 2 stroke, and then mixed in some h.t. kit parts (the gas tank, the throttle and maybe the rear sprocket and chain.)
    the gas tanks on these bikes do not look good on that frame and i just do not like the way these bikes are set up...they don't have peddles, so they are no longer bicycles, but the drive chain is on the right side, and he is only using front brakes.
    if the guy was good, he would have made the original jesse james gas tanks functional, which would look way cooler.
    I have a j.j. chopper but it is not motorized. there really is not a "right" way to put a 2 stroke h.t. engine on one of these bikes because of the way the frame is, without doing major surgery to it. (the frame).
    i suppose a 4 stroke could be mounted with a flat plate of some sort, but to be honest, it would probably look like s**t!
    i do not see a way to mount an engine to this frame to make it look good. (like a "real"motorcycle or mini chopper. i mean one could be butcherd up and welded back together i guess.
    again, just my opinion
     
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  4. jtbarnes89

    jtbarnes89 Member

    well peronally i thing a stingray is one of the ugliest things that u could call a bike.. the jesse james design i believe is the best but i agree it does weigh a bit much.. its a beautilful bike and if u have a solid motor the u really dont need thoughs pedals
     
  5. jtbarnes89

    jtbarnes89 Member

    i believe the design is good until the point were they decided to no continue the seat post down into the crank.. i didnt understand that.. i guess it makes is look more like a real jesse james
     
  6. motorpsycho

    motorpsycho Active Member

    don't get me wrong, the jesse james bikes make really nice peddle bikes if you take the time to make them look cool and add details.
    I ride my jj bike all the time, but mine is a bit more unique than all the other ones out there.
    the occ bikes can also be made to look cool if you take the time.
    for me, just bolting an engine kit onto a bike won't cut it.
    I like to customize, make unique parts, and do custom painting to make my bikes stand out from the rest of the crowd.
     
  7. sfhellwig

    sfhellwig New Member

    Well when they remove the crank and weld in pegs like that it's no longer a MB but a moped. And I think we try to keep those two distinguished.

    I have never ridden an OCC frame but the front end is so laid back I don't see how anyone navigates them on pedals. When you put it on the kick stand the front flops so bad the things don't even look good parked. My handlebars like to lay over but I can set them at an angle and they stay. And just for the record, off the shelf the OCC weighs about 12 pounds more than the JJ WCC. I believe they were 58 and 70 lbs. last I read, pending trim.

    I like the JJ because I own one and think the frame is very ride-able. The forks are long as heck and still steer decently. Follows the guidelines of a motorcycle builder I liked, Indian Larry. He refused to put the ridiculously stretched front ends on his bikes because he liked something stable enough he could ride without hands. This frame is not that but it is very stable and as strong as ANYthing off the shelf. I weigh 190lbs and have no concerns over the original frame.
     
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  8. Gene

    Gene Member

    It better have pedals in Florida to be a Moped. Or you run into the Scooter Category where then you have title issues
     
  9. skrufryder

    skrufryder Member

    yeah the occ chopper is almost unridable unless your like 4 foot short. I have an occ and thought if i put some small ape's on it that it would open up enuff to peddle. So now I can put a small motorcycle engine on it, sell it, or use it as an art peice.What do i do? In most states anything over 49cc is classified either as a moped or motorcycle. in WA i think I have to regester my bike as a motor cycle. It has a 66cc motor and no pedals. In AZ if over 49cc its a moped and requires tags, with out pedals is a motorcycle and has to have 1or 2 hp of breaking force to even to get threw inspection. I'm still trying to get all the laws on the subject in WA. Buty no law enforcement seems to care eithert way here in WA. I dont wear ahelmut and they havnt bottherd to stop me.
     
  10. RedBaronX

    RedBaronX Member

    I know Wisconsin laws would classify a MB with no pedals as a "moped" and not a "motor-assisted bicycle". Here, "motor-assisted bicycles" do not require special licensing, titles, and insurance. The moment you take the pedals off, you need insurance, a title, and a motorcycle license, even if you make no other changes.
     
  11. sfhellwig

    sfhellwig New Member

    Yeah, I realized after posting that sentence that it would be under much regional scrutiny. Of course check your local laws. Especially regarding pedals. And sometimes it will include single versus multiple gears. In my town I'm not sure if moped and scooter are any different. Scooters have to be titled but under 49cc, meaning you can own and drive a Metropolitan with choice on insurance and no additional license. The second it hit's 50cc it falls under motorcycle and requires the whole 9 yards including motorcycle license. I personally think as long as it looks like a bike with a motor on it they would not bother you. Especially with some lighting and hand signals. I doubt most cops are savvy to the MB scene and what common engines sizes are. I couldn't imagine going to all the trouble of bolting on a kit and going with the smaller engine. But I'm in Kansas, unless you're driving suspiciously or have things falling off of your vehicle they don't bother you much in most places.

    Skrufryder, I'm afraid when you pull the cranks it looks real obvious what you have done. Not advocating ignoring the law but you would have to know your local guys to know if you are running a risk of getting trouble. You could try to title it as a motorcycle but sounds like a lot more trouble and expense than the bike was in the first place.
     
  12. skrufryder

    skrufryder Member

    Oh My bike is street legal as a motorcycle. I wanted to see how hard it is to do. You just go down to the highway patrol office.You have to have a motorcycle's liscense for them to even consider to inspect it. They inspect it and give you a vin# and title 60bucks.Now I dont have to hear people tell me its an "illeagal Bike". I needed something to fill the void, I cant carry a 2-300 pound motorcycle up the stairs to my apartment but I can carry this up just fine.
     
  13. sfhellwig

    sfhellwig New Member

    Congratulations. Being legit is like staying a step ahead of the game (seeing how most people operate.) My state law might be more difficult, I just figured anything "not normal" gets a hassle around here. Just curious, what did they require of your brakes and did they just require head and tail lights? Not sure I would want to pay the motorcycle insurance or figure out a turn signal system but signals might not be necessary if you use the proper hand signals.

    Edit: Just looked at your profile pictures. Unless your bike has changed since those pictures it doesn't appear they required much.
     
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  14. skrufryder

    skrufryder Member

    Oh i scraped an old moped for lighting. Wired it off the stator and used a battery powered headlight. The bike with the homemade jackshaft was the trial and error bike before this one. The greatest thing i learned from that is its best to use an internaly geared hub, when at speed shifting can cause the chain to pop off. its best to use a fixed gear as opposed to a free wheel at times the wheel may move faster than the motor.oh and v-brakes suck for stoping. all they realy require is head lamp, speedo,taillight,brake light,and a mirrior. I have disc front and rear. the front forks are marcozzi tripples they look like motor cycle forks. oh yeah you need reciepts for all the stuff so they know you didnt steal anything.
    i'm trying to retro fit a kick starter from an old honda eliete. I have now taken it apart again to try to trick out the motor some more and paint it.
     
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