Legal technicality

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by darwin, Jul 5, 2008.

  1. darwin

    darwin Well-Known Member

    Friction drives are not integral to the drive train on a regular bicycle. Ive read the laws here in CO over and over and have come to the conclusion that puts them outside of ANY laws governing mabs, mopeds etc........think about it if your pedaling theres no way they can PROVE your motor was powering the wheel. Anyways just my thoughts whats yours?
     

  2. stude13

    stude13 Active Member

    ok im a cop i stop you and ask what is that noise and why is your tire smoking? then what?
     
  3. darwin

    darwin Well-Known Member

    1ST off the tire isnt smoking so thats N/A. Sir the motors running because at times I need the assist to go up hills but 99% of the time sir Im pedalling the bike. Remember the burden is on the officer to prove the motor was powering the wheel.........Im not trying to get into a shoutout here but just in the fact that a friction drive does fall outside of most regs if you read them carefully.
     
  4. srdavo

    srdavo Active Member

    have you ever ridden a friction drive? they fly!!

    heh....push this issue & you're getting pepper-sprayed. :lol:
     
  5. darwin

    darwin Well-Known Member

    As far as being part of the drive train my point is if the rollers off of the wheel its not connected to the chain, spockets, pedals in any way. At least mine isnt, plus theres no automatic clutch or manual clutch either. See where Im going here if you read most laws governing these things.
     
  6. astring

    astring Member

    You would have that conversation with a judge after the cop cited you.
     
  7. motman812

    motman812 Member

    Just because the statute can be interpreted in a certain manner doesn't mean that it can or will be interpreted in that manner by the only people who count, the judges.
    What President Eisenhower said when he was Supreme Allied Commander applies to lawyers as well, "Being a general is like being a prostitute in that the amateurs ACTUALLY BELIEVE that they are a good as the professionals!"
     
  8. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    Well, in operation, the friction roller is in contact with and providing motive power to the wheel, which IS an integral part of the drive train of the bicycle...
     
  9. darwin

    darwin Well-Known Member

    Yea I think Im beating a dead horse here but I still think a lawyer might find my way of thinking useful even if you guys dont!
     
  10. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    If the engine is providing power to push the bike along, it really doesn't matter HOW it does so, legally. Whether it's permanently connected or not.

    Heck, you could mount it on a backpack, with a propeller, and it would still be pushing you and the bike. Once you start using it to propel the bike, all you'd have done would be to have made yourself the (biological) motor mount...
     
  11. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    Hi darwin --- well I am always looking for a way out of this what seems to be at times GREY AREA.. Thought that you had something going on here - but I am not to sure... Roller is driving the wheel - just driving on another area of the wheel. My bike will idle at a stop without stalling - thus has a clutch.. Happy Riding from - Mountainman
     
  12. Esteban

    Esteban Active Member


    If you are riding a friction drive,,, & your tire is smoking,, you don't know how to ride one !
     
  13. darwin

    darwin Well-Known Member

    With my dimension setup with the honda 50 if you stop you need to raise the roller up or the motor will stall on ya. Im used to it by now and its cool, if you have to stop suddenly you just stop heck with worrying about raising it.
     
  14. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    Honestly, some of you people think that courts are not allowed to use common sense. They are allowed to put 2 and 2 together. What do you think the law is, some sort of game show?
     
  15. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    Judge - may I please explain - I also wear the propeller to bed at nights - my wife swears by it - and also used to help me walk - thought that I could use it on my bicycle too ---- his reply - gulity as accused - and you had better tell your wife to GET A PERMIT FOR THAT THING !!! Happy Riding from - Mountainman
     
  16. stude13

    stude13 Active Member

    what he said
     
  17. darwin

    darwin Well-Known Member

    Colorado Moped Laws
    Moped Definition
    A motorized bicycle is a vehicle with two or three wheels that has an automatic transmission, a cylinder capacity less than 50c.c., and cannot excede 30mph on a level surface. Vehicles not fitting the definition of a moped are classified as motorcycles.......
    You guys are beating me up pretty good here but look at the law it says automatic transmission............I had a feeling I should have never started this thread.
     
  18. Zemus DE

    Zemus DE Guest

    here point is the drive train in not permanantly integral to the drivetrain of the bicycle, like a belt or chain drive is. We have had this issue a few time times here at DE(especially when pocket bikes took off), and every time we are not considered a motor vehicle. Thusly we can ride on "NO MOTOR VEHICLE" bike trails, so long as the engine is off. If they where chain drive they would be illegal regardless of engine operation.

    If a cop wants to write you a ticket he will. I have talked to numerous policemen and they almost all basically tell me that if they see someone doing something they dont like, they will write them a ticket regardless if there is a law applying to it or not. So essentially if they dont like what your doing they will make up a law and let you fight it in court.
     
  19. Zemus DE

    Zemus DE Guest

    Basically, Don't ride like a NYC bike messenger and you will be ok.
     
  20. Zemus DE

    Zemus DE Guest

    I'm sorry that this is my 3rd post in a row here, but this kinda gets to me. If I or any other friction driver said something about a gearbox spewing oil everywhere, or a belt drive smoking, we would get our reamed by augi or a mod for slandering.

    I swear, everywhere I read(even in the "NEWB intro to motored biking") there is some unfounded generalization about friction drive and its startin to **** me off. I am unable to make write-ups about how friction drive works when it is done properly because I am the son of a motored bike kit manufacturer. Well I can, and plan to, but I have to jump a few minor hoops which is difficult because I only get on the net for maybe an hour every other day.

    I dunno I may just be havin a stressful day but I still think this needs to be brought up.
     
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