Making and Burning Ethanol

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by thatsdax, Mar 29, 2008.

  1. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest

    Here is a very interesting article about what is needed to produce a gallon of Ethanol. I am not sure how many people are aware of this. Here is the link to the Article. . And.. Remember.. Oil is not the enemy.. Enjoy the ride..

  2. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    Very interesting. I didn't know that. It would take up the whole land area of the US to make enough ethenol to put in every car. Dang. We MUST find some alternative energy.
  3. Yes but how much land would we need to put ethanol in everyone's motoredbike see that is the question here!
  4. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    Ethanol is a big fraud perpetuated by Archer Daniels Midland and proponents of farm subsidies. All this push for ethanol has done is caused corn to double in price increasing feedstock costs and increased cost of food for everyone.

    The answer to our countries fuel needs is biomass fuel production...using biomass (anything such as grass animal byproducts, animal waste, or any dead biological material) to product methane and using a gas to liquid conversion (Fischer-Tropsch process) process to obtain a clean renewable resource.

    Gotta go, need to turn on every light in my house to protest "earth hour" Raising awareness never solves any problems and only makes those participating "feel good".
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2008
  5. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    The real problem is that corn is the wrong crop to use. A MUCH better crop is sugar cane. Squeeze the sap out of the cane, add yeast, and ferment. Then distill. The alcohol yield per acre is MUCH higher than corn. Plus, you can extract the sap close to the farms, and pump it to where you need it...
  6. Alan

    Alan Member

    And I was hoping this thread was a "how to" for moon recipes.:lol:
  7. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

  8. Alan

    Alan Member

    To get serious for a second, no crop by itself will ever be enough.
    When this country takes it's head out of it's ***, and becomes the world leader in Cellulosic ethanol, we will have more than enough, and we will assist other nations to do the same. Not a fantasy, but a real possibility. Iran will have to make money some other way, like weaving nice rugs.
  9. BSA

    BSA Guest

    Considering that there is 500 years worth of coal left, and coal can be made into petrol, propane, diesel. Right now fuel price are too high. £5 (10$) a gallon in the U.K. Wether global warming is real or not I don't know. I'm more of a skeptic nowerdays. Whetever happens will become clear in the next 10 years.

  10. Jim H

    Jim H Guest

    I saw something on the tube last night stating nearly the same thing but they also mentioned how much water it takes to produce ethanol and with our drought situations, how it could be calamitous to dwindling water resources...according to Nostradamus and some native american tribes and other tribal peoples around the world, we have until about 2012 to get our collective @#%& together in which case we won't need petroleum or ethanol; just sayin'!
  11. eltatertoto

    eltatertoto Guest

    back to the topic, unless your engine is made for it, i was told, that ethanol or"flex fuel" as gm cals it, it will ruin the seals, and render your engine useless. mabey its just exagerating a bit, i dunno, but before using it, with a non approved engine, i would check this out 1st......
  12. Alan

    Alan Member

    Alterations would be needed, I believe.

    Jim H., the exact date is Dec. 21, 2012. Big night for parties.
  13. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    We've already discussed the environmental aspect & impacts of alternative sources of energy.

    We all know that converting one thing to another, like tar sands to oil, coal to oil, & corn to ethanol... you're going to lose/waste a lot of non-renewable energy in the process, because nothing is 100% efficient in reality. We all know what the terms non-renewable & renewable mean, right? Oil and coal will run out one day, so we are prolly gonna go thru a few different transition periods to reach completely renewable energy. Also, it'd be very hard to imagine a society that completely got around using the versatile oil, which is used to make oil, car fuel, jet fuel, deisel for semi-trucks that carry food inside cities that haven't much land at all for growing their own food, heating oils, roofing shingles, plastics, etc. It's tough to say that oil isn't the most important resource for a prosperous nation.

    The easiest way to conserve the oil we'll never be able to reproduce (at least not without wasting more oil & perhaps coal too) is to cut the automobile consumption. We already know the answer to this problem, fellas!! We all need to ride bikes, whether they be powered by 4-stroke engines, electric motors, or our feet. If you're using a gas-powered engine, you're gonna cut your oil consumption down to a small percentage of what you used in your car. If you're plugged into a grid, you're gonna save even more oil than with a gas-powered engine. If you pedal, your body becomes more efficient at breaking down food, so not only would you use no oil (other than a few squirts of wd-40), but you'd also need less food to be carried into your city by a diesel truck!!

    It seems like juicing up the electrical grid with electric bikes would help conserve oil a tremendous amount while getting us places without breaking a sweat. Sure we're burning coal, but we've got a ton of that. We could try encouraging companies to ship products/food by train more often. Coal is the answer to realistically conserving oil before prices get too far outta hand.
  14. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest

    that is interesting about the Water..

    I was told that it takes 130 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of Ethanol. Is that true? I heard it was a lot of water to be sure.. and the price of Corn, rice, ect to produce non fermented Alcohol .. Wow !!! This is crazy !! I am sure that the USA will find or discover an awesome substitute alternative to oil.. Maybe in the next 10 years or so. But for now, it is oil. Oil is organic you know... Purely organic. Comes from dead stuff. At any rate, ethanol is causing more problems and expense and will only get worse. for now.. Oil is our friend..and not the enemy..Enjoy the ride...
  15. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    It's prolly at least 130 gallons.

    This website shows how much water it takes to make a pound of beef. It's prolly a little far-fetched... but it goes to show you that anybody can come up with a statistic that suits their cause or motives.
  16. Jim H

    Jim H Guest

    What a conundrum! (thanks Alan, KMAGby)
  17. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    We would be making a big mistake to reject ethanol as a fuel for the future based upon the particulars of how it produced today. Corn is not the only source for ethanol, and by far not the most efficient one. Switchgrass and other celluosic sources come to mind.

    Think- who wants ethanol to not be a viable energy source? Figure that out and then consider who funded the studies usually cited for ethanol's shortcomings.

    Is ethanol a magic bullet? No, but it is renewable and domestic- good things.

    We have not even come close to maximizing the efficiencies of the ethanol economy.
  18. Irish John

    Irish John Guest

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  19. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    On last nights local CBS, why we have to fight upping the gasohol ratios.

    That the testing showed no consistency in the blending is another reason fuel might be the source of performance issues in our small engines.

    Ethanol and Boats

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    Last Update: 5/12 7:25 pm

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  20. machiasmort

    machiasmort Active Member


    Theory, I could make 1 gallon of nearly pure ethonal out of 10 gallons of water and maybe less depending upon the strain of yeast or bacteria I use to ferment the wort and it's tollerance to the alcohol it makes. Eventually the bacteria will die in the liquid because the alcohol will kill it as % rises!

    The answer is in electricity, more importantly, how we generate it. There are alot of flowing rivers that have yet to be tapped with generators. Go stick your feet up to your ankles in the Niagara gorge. It'll rip you in! Our Ivy Lea Graduates running this Country support Globalization rather than our Liberty's because they make more money like that!

    It's the simple truth, we need them all voted OUT,because they are full of :icon_bs: