more issues.....

Discussion in '4-Stroke Engines' started by eltatertoto, Apr 22, 2008.

  1. eltatertoto

    eltatertoto Guest

    y'know, im soo dissapointed in this kkit, im not gonna even bother to rant. in the 1st vid it wanted to take off, cause i had a bend in the cable. chain locked up,when i lifted tthe bike for some odd reason i checked everytthing and it was fine. then when i get the chain back on, nothing happens. everything was on tape, so ill post the vids as they happened. tell me what ya think plz.

    1st ever start up.

    bike wont move

    gearbox look at pin .

    never got to ride it. even once. ~very depressed~

  2. srdavo

    srdavo Active Member

    I just looked at your vids.......Xlent choice of music....BTW :cool:
    you should be able to replace that pin locally. take your gear & shaft with you, to the local autoparts, small engine shop, machinery supply...etc.

    was there oil or grease inside the gearbox?
    what does the seller recommend?
  3. eltatertoto

    eltatertoto Guest

    dave, illl be going to dan and daves in a few. oh, and that was wlup chicagos rockstation. i listen to it 24/7 i just didnt turn it down lol. if ya sign up for loyal looper online, ya can listen to theyre online stream from 8 to either 6 or 7 at night central. but back on topic, yes where was grease. especially considering i opened that box with clean hands. i dunno what he reccomends. but im buying a pin, or seeing if my dad can make somthin at work tommro. but hes workin a double, so i cant ask cause hes workin..

    dan and daves= small engine repair

    but i just found out dan and daves closed 1/2 hr agao. ugh.
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  4. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    Hey Jason, just watched your vid and don't think I saw a fuel filter on there. Did you check the condition of the tank interior. Might be getting mucked up.
  5. eltatertoto

    eltatertoto Guest

    yea i did. not bad, and i always wash out the boogers before mounting the tank. im broke right now. i litterally have 1 dollar to my name
  6. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    Go down to Ace, maybe Sears Hardware- take the gears down to the store and ask for keystock. You may have to cut it to length (hacksaw or Dremel) when you get it home. It is standard stuff and you don't even need to go to a small engine place.

    Can you get the mounting plate to sit any more level?
  7. eltatertoto

    eltatertoto Guest

    the directions said tilt it forward, i cant remember why at the moment. but my dad works in heating and air, and they have boxes and boxes of keys out at the mill (us steel) for air motors. so if he cant find anything, ill check. thanks for the info. it really bumms me out tho. i didnt even get to ride it yet. just revv the engine :( night. been up till midnight last 3 days.
  8. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    Let's hope that this is the only grief it gives you. Good job of digging in, investigating, and finding the problem.
  9. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    That gearbox does not have an engagement lever, does it?

    I suspect that the keys let go when it revved up on the first start, wanted to move, but couldn't go anyplace- to protect the engine, the keys sheared and the chain jumped. Better keys will not let go so easily, but my advice is not to hold the bike against resistence with the wheel down and revving. If you want to rev it without going anywhere, get the rear wheel off the ground.

    Also, what size is the rear sprocket? Did that come with the kit or is that off one of your other bikes?
  10. Scottm

    Scottm Guest

    Oddly I think this is something I PM'd Hough about. The PTO on the Titan spins and I thought it wouldn't due to the centri clutch. Kind of like your car with an automatic transmission. Engine running but car in park or neutral. In this case I assume it's like being in Drive with the brakes on but the transmission really wants to turn while the motor is turning, thus the shearing of the key.
    Hough's theory (if I may) the clutch pads will eventually wear to a point that won't engage the transmission until the throttle is engaged.
    Please correct or clarify if I am mistaken.
    Sorry you had to learn that lesson for us Jason.
  11. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    If holding still at idle caused the keys to shear- the keys must have been made from cream cheese (mmmm cream cheese). The clutch may cause some movement of the gears when there is no resistence (which would lessen over time), but when the back tire is on the ground, I do not think idle speed would cause the bike itself to move- if it is working correctly. I think the problem may have been soft keys combined with revving while holding the bike still.
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  12. eltatertoto

    eltatertoto Guest

    no this all happened cause i made a stupid oversight. when i zip-tied the cable, i did it at too sharp of a bend, and thus cosing the cable to be pulled, and when it 1st did that it actually made a little puff of dirt, cause the tire wanted to go. i know somewhat about these sorts of things, cause my minibike has an auto clutch, and it had a torque converter at one point.
  13. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    I know you know about these things- my point was just that the keys sheared because the engine was pushing one way, and the bike was still- like I said, though, those keys seemed extremely weak.
  14. eltatertoto

    eltatertoto Guest

    yea, now that i think about it, they did..
  15. kerf

    kerf Guest

    I know we're talking apples and oranges but I can open up my 4 hp CY while holding the bike with no ill effects. The Staton box has keys on all the gears as well at the output shaft. Even with that HP and 18.75 to 1 reduction, nothing breaks. Junk keys?
  16. eltatertoto

    eltatertoto Guest

    das what im thinkin, kerf
  17. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Check those keys with a magnet, I've run across some aluminum ones for use on engine flywheels. They're designed to sheer to prevent damage to the aluminum flywheel in case something causes the engine to stop suddenly, e.g. hitting a pipe with a lawn mower.
  18. Scottm

    Scottm Guest

    I rented a boat once and they gave me a few keys and a pair of pliers, just incase I hit any rocks, I wouldn't destroy the prop.

    Good luck Tater, I hope you get it running soon. When you get frustrated, sit down with some cream cheese and think about the good times to come and how smooth like cream cheese, your ride will be:D. Can we still call them Happy Times?
  19. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    I say again

    mmmmm, cream cheese.........
  20. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    Seems to me like that pin was designed to sheer under abnormal stress but what u did didn't seem "abnormal"....they made to too weak so it sheers too easily.Next time replace it with something(eg,good quality mild steel) that's harder than the original but not as hard as the surrounding steel.
    Good luck on your second attempt man,it's all trial & error.