Motoredbiking and the price of gas

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by Large Filipino, Feb 26, 2008.

  1. I Searched for a thread similar to this but I strangely didn't find anything close.
    I'm just curious to your thoughts about our price of gas going up and up and how it impacts or benefits our hobby and for some,way of life.
    Here's my thoughts. I wish really that gas would surpass 10 dollars an hour. Think about this. Less cars on the road. More tiny cars on the road. More people looking at this hobby. Already this hobby is growing fast.
    Less cars on the road would probably also mean that maybe we can stay away from the bike trails for our roads may get a bit safer....maybe.
    America. We have gotten pretty spoiled with many many years of cheap gas.
    We've built Muscle cars that drink gas with big blocks and we drive huge SUV's while Europe has the smallest car in the world run by a 50cc moped engine and their best seller is that Smart car and that ugly car you see in Bean with the three wheels along with the Mini Cooper. There are even some countries where the number of bikes surpass the number of cars.
    It's gonna happen. Soon big trucks while they're still mass producing them will not get sold....that's already happening.
    Right now (and this is why I have this in this forum and not the white zone) Legislation is a guessing game when it comes to these bikes. Some states say this is a moped. Others say this is a motored assist bike. Some say you cannot ride this bike on the bike trails. Others say an electric bike is okay. Our laws around these bikes are based solely on the people's reactions to them. If enough voters say these are mopeds,then ride on the same street with speeding death cars. And that's the key. ENOUGH VOTERS.
    You can write to your Congressman,but he's gonna ignore your plea for even he doesn't know what you are talking about.
    This is why I PRAY for 10 dollar a gallon gas. When gas becomes too expensive for all then more will learn about this hobby. More will see the benefits and SAFETY in riding the bike trails over riding next to cell phone more important than your eyes on the road death car drivers. And in turn maybe we'll have ENOUGH VOTERS to vote that a motor assist bike is a bicycle and should be treated as such.
    Then we can rejoice with the roadies. The sky will become clearer.Entire species of animals we had thought to be extinct will come back.
    But on the other hand,less cars mean less registration money for the state. Less insurance premiums to cover Paris Hilton crashing into you she's the only person that can afford to still drive.
    So that may mean were gonna get special plates so the state can make some money off of us again.
    So what are your thoughts?

  2. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    i keep saying the administration is playing right into our evil save the world ;):lol:

    health, both physical and mental, will improve. 30mph motoredbike accidents can't possibly cost that much, the insurance industry will take a beating, litigation will take a beating, health care will be able to afford itself. grass-root local manufacturing of MB's and components are a possiblility also...and it goes on and on...

    nice thing, i was tempted to edit out every instance of "hobby" and replace it with "motorsport"...i think we've earned the ranking :cool:
  3. mickey

    mickey Guest

    As much as I like motored biking and eco vehicles in general, I don't look forward to any large increase in energy costs. I like that I can benefit from the produce of distant laborers and travel, anywhere, in safety and comfort.
  4. kerf

    kerf Guest

    I love my bike too but $10 gasoline is an insane statement. If you want to live in a third world country, get on a plane and go but don’t mess up my world. We must stop the fools in Washington and tell them to DRILL IN ANWR and to GET THE CORN OUT OF MY GAS TANK. Crude oil is only good to burn in my car and bike, I can’t eat it. Mandating 10% - 15% ethanol in motor fuel is causing skyrocketing food prices, it’s a less efficient fuel and it cost more than gas. So why are we doing these things, two words, Global Warming.

    Global Warming is the greatest Marxist lie ever told, increasing CO2 levels aren’t the cause of temperature increases, it’s the result. Ice core samples indicate that the correlation between CO2 and temperature is the exact opposite of the GW theory. The samples show increasing levels of CO2 follow temperature increases, it doesn’t precede it. Then what is the cause, go outside and look up at that big yellow thing, it has been the cause since this world has been here. Just last night, on the news, there was a story about the severity of this winter and that we are headed for GLOBAL COOLING unless sunspot activity increases.

    I’ll end my little rant with the fact that the USA is 25% of the world economy and our country runs on oil. Outrageous energy prices will kill our economy and possibility result in world recession or even depression. I’ve lived through recession and it’s miserable. I've not been through a depression but my parents, God rest their souls, lived through the great depression and told me, “Son, you don’t want to go there”.
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  5. Scottm

    Scottm Guest

    I would love to commute solely by motorbike and could imagine it if I took the crazy idiots with cell phones in their cars off the road. My big hold up now is family. It's not feasible to motorbike kids to grandma's or mom's and sporting events. I can hear them now telling their grandkids. Yeah our dad made us ride our bikes to school when it was 20 degrees and snowing and uphill both ways. I've been tempted to leave my car at the school and ride my bike the rest of the way to work and back. But then we wouldn't be geting home till 6 or 6:30 pm and I woulld have to pay for before school day care and leave for work earlier.

    It would knock a hard blows on ambulance chaser lawyers. But I'm also afraid to build a motoredbike for anyone because we can get sued for anything these days.

    I have thought this through.

    The world has been through dozens of ice ages and warm ups in it's history long before us evil Americans runied it.
  6. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    i don't look forward to rising costs either...but i do believe it's time to ponder the day when any carbon-based source of energy will be priceless, and "what's to be done about it" is an issue we have to discuss now.

    i think Large' was talking to the interim struggle while we figure it out & present our best solution, and was expressing a desire to get on with it instead of clinging to the sinking ship we know as petro-energy..."necessity and invention" and all that good that i do look forward to :cool:
  7. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Don't get me wrong, I like clean air and water as much as anyone. New sources of energy are also great but drive up the cost of energy as much as some want, we will save the planet, through mass starvation. Knee jerk reactions based on little fact, will fix nothing.
  8. mickey

    mickey Guest

    We have several hundred years of known reserves of the liquid stuff, at current usage. Coal gasification and/or tar sands can extend the hydrocarbon age for a thousand years further. What we don't have, excluding the middle east, is 4-dollar-a-barrel-at-the-well-head oil and a solution to the NIMBY problem of insufficient refining capacity to meet the world's needs. We still burn coal, natural gas, and fuel oil to produce electricity when nuclear power is a safe, proven, French-approved source and that represents a simple lack of political will. A truly free market in energy will bring a gradual increase in price and a corresponding increase in efficiency and the use of alternatives. The Invisible Hand yadda yadda.

    No other source of energy has the attributes of energy density, ease of transport, and reliability of supply that oil represents.

    I still like my bike though. :grin:
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  9. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    me too, and i like that it uses so little of the controversial black-goo...i should stay outta topics about this stuff, no need to talk it when yer walkin' it :cool:
  10. mickey

    mickey Guest

  11. Here's just a few of the endless endless ways of traveling in style!

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  12. mickey

    mickey Guest

    I so want a rickshaw. I saw some for sale on eBay but the wife keeps laughing at me when I bring it up. I tell her I'll ride her in the parades if I can have one. :grin:
  13. Scottm

    Scottm Guest

    well perhaps I had not thought it ALL through .:p:
  14. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    when my granddaughters get too big for the trailer, I am gonna have to motor one of those babies (the 2nd pic :lol:)
    I have already been thinking on the plan
  15. sabrewalt

    sabrewalt Guest

    Unintended Consequences

    This will get back on board topic.... in a minute.... I promise... While I understand LP's desire for expensive gas. (It's even more vocalized over on the Ebike specific boards), I believe the unintended consequences of very high energy prices is something we would not wish on anybody. Unlike Europe, this country is very spread out and the European mass transit systems are impractical here for quite along time...... The people who can't afford it will be really hurt and some may even starve. Starvation brings street violence etc etc etc. I gotta side with KERF. We need prices to back down not go up. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE LIKE EUROPE!!! YUK.....

    Now to get back on topic for this board. .... MY daughter lives in Germany. They pay $8.25 give or take for a gallon of fuel. The roads are crowded with cars. As soon as a person gets sucessful enough to afford a car, he buys one. PERIOD. It is a badge to show off how you finally made it... Just like here. You would think that our little bikes would be all over Germany. WRONG. People 1) Pedal bikes 2) Ride the trains and busses 3) Buy and drive motorcycles 4) Buy and drive Cars. I've shown pictures of my motoredbike to my daughter and she really likes it but in the area where she lives, she would be the tip of the spear. She is already in trouble at her place of work because she thinks and acts like a Texan(Forgivness is easier to get than permission!!) and Germans REALLY don't like that. They are very rigid.(Sorry if I offended someone but my daughter married a GERMAN german so I earned the right. If a place that is paying 8 bucks a gallon have not adopted Mbikes or Ebikes, then why would Americans. The most leftist greenist tree hugging most whacked out environmentalist I met over there all had cars... Go figure. I think Americans would just whine and moan about the prices, probably steal a lot of it but I would bet money that unless there is a big ad campaign to sexify what we are doing and make it cool, our assist technologies will not be adopted by a large percentage of the population.

    I just spent a month working in San Francisco. Cool city. Wierd people but that is what is cool about it. I saw lots of bicycles, lots of little Honda Metro's and other scooters, Lots of Prius Automobiles. I glanced at every bike I could, NO EBIKES NO MOTOREDBIKES. Too far outside the box... I guess....
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  16. I could see the commercial now. Motoredbiker cruising down the bike trail behind a hottie riding a motoredbike in a bikini. He has "The Look"
    Then the commercial ends with "You see many wonderful things on a motoredbike".
    Yea. I see where your getting at. Still. Motorcycle sales have gone up in America. I would rather have motorcycles on the streets than soccer moms any day.
  17. I live here, and you're right. (but there are a few motorized bikes,
    but mostly electric)

    Riding my gopeds and motorized bikes around town, I get harassed by
    folks who think they are superior because they drive a Prius,
    or ride a non motor powered bicycle (spandex patrol)

    The other day, a lady stopped next to me,
    and yelled at me, asking me if I was offsetting my "carbon credits"

    I wanted to say that I get better mileage that she does, or
    that her Prius isn't really saving the world as much as she thinks,
    but instead I said,
    "Why don't you go suck a #$@."
    I wasn't in the mood for a debate.
  18. kerf

    kerf Guest


    My friend, you are in the belly of the beast, love that attitude, stick to your guns. By the way, have you seen the South Park episode about the hybrids, I was rolling on the floor.:smile:
  19. Papasaun

    Papasaun Guest

    Even the Lightfoot has a "family" bike! And one with a hard top too.
    But I'm kinda partial to the Lightfoot. :lol:


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  20. That umbrella has got to go. :grin: