Mounted Gas Cans

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by Fulltimer, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. Fulltimer

    Fulltimer Member

    I was browsing in another forum and ran into an interesting thread. What all can be used as a gas can on the bikes. I was kinda surprised at what they came up with. They are using these things: wine bottles, metal water bottles and even a army surplus water canteen! It seems like if something can hold a liquid it was usable.

    So here you are motoring along and a young cocky cop pulls you over. So you pull out your copy of the state law pertaining to bikes. He doesn't like being shown he is wrong so he starts nit picking. "Is that an alcoholic beverage in the bottle?" And you reply no officer it's gasoline. He has you now. Transporting gasoline in an unapproved container.

    This may all be pretty far out there, I know that. But why would we give them a reason to nail us if they want to?

    Terry
     

  2. Porkchop

    Porkchop Member

    I agree. There seems to be quite a few renegades on this forum that knowing break the laws about motorized bikes. Not me. Weather I agree with, or don't like the laws, I do abide by them so I have no problems. As far a gasoline containers go, just buy a 1 gallon container from Wally World or where ever, strap it on your bike somehow and don't worry about it.
     
  3. Stan4d

    Stan4d Banned

    Before we jump to the conclusion that the container has to be made for the purpose of using as a tank, we might want to research the laws in our own states. Here, if I remember correctly, any container is OK as long as it is upgraded to use as a tank. (gas cap vented or pressure relief, cut off valve....etc) But for transporting fuel only containers that are bought for the transportation of fuel may be used. Gasoline in the red ones, Diesel in the Yellow, and Kerosene in the Blue.
    Basically a fuel tank on a vehicle can be anything as long as it can stand up to the standards of the individual states.
     
  4. Hawaii_Ed

    Hawaii_Ed Member

    wow...

    I use a one gallon tank. It gives me 120 mile range. I carry a small spare bottle of oil. In an emergency I can fill the tank and mix it by shaking.

    before I had the tank I would carry aluminum water bottles on my rack. My wife expressed concern about an explosion if I got rear-ended. I think that would be the least of my worries ;)
     
  5. Fulltimer

    Fulltimer Member

    These guys were talking about a gas can not a gas tank. What is legal to use as a gas can is regulated by federal law.

    Terry
     
  6. Hawaii_Ed

    Hawaii_Ed Member

    I was simply giving my solution to the problem. Rather than carry illegal gas cans, I went to a bigger tank. 60 miles was not enough range for some of my rides. 120 is much better. I understand you concern with illegal gas cans. Good luck to you on your rides.
     
  7. 5-7HEAVEN

    5-7HEAVEN Guest

    Carrying Gas?

    Gas cans or a larger gas tank?

    It's your choice. I chose a larger 4-liter Happy Time fuel tank, just like Hawaii Ed.:jester:
     
  8. Stan4d

    Stan4d Banned

    Sorry, my misunderstanding.
     
  9. Fulltimer

    Fulltimer Member

    No problem. It's just that these guys on that other forum are just asking for trouble. Seems kind of dumb. But then, I am extremely new to these things.

    Terry
     
  10. MrShorty

    MrShorty Member

    This is a small part of the Federal law for gas tanks.

    Construction of liquid fuel tanks—

    Joints. Joints of a fuel tank body must be closed by arc-, gas-, seam-, or spot-welding, by brazing, by silver soldering, or by techniques which provide heat resistance and mechanical securement at least equal to those specifically named. Joints must not be closed solely by crimping or by soldering with a lead-based or other soft solder.

    Fittings. The fuel tank body must have flanges or spuds suitable for the installation of all fittings.

    Threads. The threads of all fittings must be Dryseal American Standard Taper Pipe Thread or Dryseal SAE Short Taper Pipe Thread, specified in Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J476, as contained in the 1971 edition of the “SAE Handbook”, except that straight (non-tapered) threads may be used on fittings having integral flanges and using gaskets for sealing. At least four full threads must be in engagement in each fitting.
     
  11. motorpsycho

    motorpsycho Active Member

    gasoline will not explode on impact unless there is a spark or a source of ignition. (it has to be a spark or a flame, heat will not ignite gasoline)
    it takes a lot of friction on aluminum to make it spark. take a peice of aluminum and grind on it...see how many sparks you get.
    you can literally put a lit cigarette into a can of gas, and the gas will not ignite. the cigarette will go out.
    it's not like in the movies where they show a lit cigarette starting gas on fire. or when they show a guy shoot a cars gas tank and the car explodes. it does not work that way in real life.
     
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2010
  12. motorpsycho

    motorpsycho Active Member


    that is the federal law, but trust me, there are a ton of gas tanks out there that aren't even close to following that law.
    does anyone really think that a cop is going to inspect their gas tank to see if it is in the requirements of this law?
    there is no real way to tell just by looking at a gas tank. the tank would have to be de constructed to make sure it's actually legal. I highly doubt anyone would go that far.
    The law is a great guildeline tho for someone who is building a gas tank.
     
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2010
  13. RedBaronX

    RedBaronX Member

    a mechanic once told me that windshield washer fluid was actually more volatile than gasoline. Maybe not more EXPLOSIVE (when actually ignited) but more flammable...
     
  14. Fulltimer

    Fulltimer Member

    This thread wasn't meant to be about gas tanks. I started it because people were talking about carrying EXTRA gas in glass wine bottles and anything else that would hold a liquid. Just a FYI.

    Terry
     
  15. motorpsycho

    motorpsycho Active Member

    tha's ok terry, but people will do whatever they want to do. sometimes people don't think the way they should, and in some cases, if carrying extra gas in a glass bottle sounds like a good idea to them, then i say let them do it.
     
  16. Stan4d

    Stan4d Banned

    but Terry has a very valid point.....does anyone want to attract attention to themselves by storing fuel in a nonapproved container. Check out the stickers on the pumps nest time you get gas.
     
  17. motorpsycho

    motorpsycho Active Member

    yes he does have a very valid point, and yes...i have read the labels on gas pumps before.
    but what i am saying is that if someone is dumb enough to transport gas in an unapproved container, then let them do it.
    it will be them who gets fined for doing it...IF they get caught.
    I know a lot of police officers and not one of them has EVER caught anyone doing this. (because i discussed this with them in the past when we i saw a guy pumping gas into an antifreeze jug).
    it's up to the gas station attendant to catch the person and tell them that they are not supposed to use anything but an approved container.
    what's a gas station attendant going to do IF they see someone doing this? more than likely, they will look the other way
    half the time the attedant is stuck inside the gas station, behind a counter that faces away from the window, and with "pay at the pump" these days, the person doesn't even have to walk into the gas station to pay for the gas he just pumped into an unapproved container.
    all i'm saying is that this happens more than everyone thinks it does, and nothing is ever done about it.
    so, why bother questioning what some people do?
    nothing will ever be done about it, and people in general will keep right on doing whatever they want.
     
  18. plinko

    plinko Banned

    And I know people who used milk jugs to get gas.Thing Is they were out a little bit longer than Intended and the gas ate or melted through the milk jug onto their vehicle's floorboards and carpets.In short.If you got a brain.Just use a pre approved container.
     
  19. motorpsycho

    motorpsycho Active Member

    now that's funny !
     
  20. plinko

    plinko Banned

    I thought so too:grin5:.2 redneck people I knew tried It and he was pretty stupid to begin with:rolleyes7:.Gas will warp or melt things like styrofoam or recycled milk jug plastic.I knew he was P.O.ed about the gas that got Into his floorboards and carpet.I wonder If he got a buzz from the fumes? Some people think that all plastic Is the same yet there are different properties to each.I may not be too bright.But I will stick to using an approved gas can meant for the job.Gas also builds pressure from storage and gas cans are made to relieve pressure from long term storage.Me and my pops warned them about this before they did It.
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2010
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