Need Info 1940 Westfield Rambler

Discussion in 'Antique Motorized Bicycles' started by james65, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. james65

    james65 Member

    Purchased this from a dealer for $70. He said it is 1940. Does anyone have a pic of a similar Rambler. I would like to copy the original paint pattern befor motorizing.

    Thanks

    Jim
     

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  2. meatwad

    meatwad Member

  3. james65

    james65 Member

    Rambler/westfield/columbia

    Thanks Meatwad that is perfect. I can get started on it as soon as I return from vacation.

    Jim
     
  4. KilroyCD

    KilroyCD Active Member

    You may want to carefully remove some of the current paint to see what the original colors were (provided the original paint wasn't stripped). Westfield (and Columbia) made many of their models in a variety of colors. Here's my '41 Columbia Superb in "Mohawk maroon" and cream.
     

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  5. james65

    james65 Member

    Columbia/westfield/Rambler

    Kilroy,
    Now that is a beautiful bike! Even though I am on vacation in the mountains(where I found this bike). I have been poking around it. I see red paint under the blue housepaint. Also have found white paint on the tank gills.
    It is the pattern that I was looking for mostly, as I have not decided on the color it will be.
    I doubt that the pattern is like yours, as yours is more of a top of line bike.
    The rambler is more of the economy model.
    Meatwad has given me a good lead. How long and about ho much effort went into your restoration? What ever it took it turned out great!

    thx
    jIM
     
  6. maltese guy

    maltese guy Guest

    Thats not a bike! Thats a piece of art.! Can you tell me what the struts on the fork serve for?
     
  7. KilroyCD

    KilroyCD Active Member

    Jim, I'm gonna come clean. I bought it that way. Truth be told, it IS a 1941 model Columbia F9T "Superb", but reissued in 1998 when Columbia pulled out the original tooling and did a small production run in the maroon. Mine is serial number 102. They then did a production run in "Berkshire Blue" around 2002 as their 125th Anniversary bike. All told far fewer than the planned 1500 units were produced, and bikes from both production runs regularly show up on eBay.
    This model was Columbia's top of the line model, complete with the dashboard holding the Stewart-Warner "Clipper" speedometer and a clock.
    They were $83.50 in 1941, and a mere $1495.00 as the 125th Anniversary model. I found mine on eBay for $699. The bike has never been ridden.
     
  8. KilroyCD

    KilroyCD Active Member

    The struts are called "truss rods" and were originally used to add strength to the fork. But as time went on and metallurgy improved (and forks became stronger), they became more of a cosmetic touch.
     
  9. Whizzerd

    Whizzerd Member

    Nice bikes fellas! What if a company like Felt built a tasteful Classic w/ ArtDeco design elements. Kilroy, do you think it would sell?
     
  10. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    I ain't Kilroy, Whizzard, but I think such a retro bike would sell like hot cakes at a volunteer firemen's breakfast!
     
  11. KilroyCD

    KilroyCD Active Member

    Sorry about being late to reply but I think they would do well, especially if they incorporated some of the design elements of the Elgin Bluebird. IMHO, the Bluebird was the epitome of art-deco bicycle design.
     

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  12. Whizzerd

    Whizzerd Member

    Hello Simon and Kilroy. I asked our friendly moderator for an opinion since you are obviously passionate & knowledgeable about old bicycles. That Elgin is a rolling piece of Art. Saw it on ebay recently asking SEVERAL thousand$$$! My point with this. Felt makes several Cruisers priced $300-$800.00. I've got one and it's good quality. If enough interest perhaps Felt would entertain the idea of doing one. With so much interest in retro everything, pedal riders might go for it too.
     
  13. KilroyCD

    KilroyCD Active Member

    Pricing would be key there. I feel Felt could pull it off, as they already have certain elements of that kind of design in some of their bikes. Look at the tank, integral with the top bar. They could easily do the "streamline" seat stay and chainstay going back to the edge of the fender, much the way of the Bluebird or the Huffman streamline bikes of the era. Ditto with the front fork, and you'd have a modern, neo-retro version of the Bluebird.
    But pricing is key. In 1998 Columbia rolled out a reissue of the 1941 F9T "Superb" and later changed the color to "Berkshire Blue" and dubbed it their 125th Anniversary bike. It was/is a beautiful bike in either color. The problem was they were going to offer a limited run of 1500 bikes, priced at an MSRP of $1495.00. In any event, they sold far fewer than the 1500 they expected to build, and it was due to the price. I have serial number 102 in Mohawk Maroon (see attachment), and I can tell you I paid just a bit less than half that price. Felt, should they decide to do a retro product like the one we're talking about would be wise to price it realistically.
     

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  14. Whizzerd

    Whizzerd Member

    The element that caught my eye about your Columbia is the chainguard. Fairly "dripping" AD. Felt has one similar but smaller. Silverbear put a link in to a bike museum late '09. Wish I'd saved it! Anyway, I saw so many Design points from those bikes on the Felt Cruiser line it couldn't be coincedence. I'd fairly expect it to be priced similarly to their current line. At 500+ bucks still a bit pricey but you get quality components and lovely visual appeal. It would HAVE to have front suspension and brake. Their Abraham(similar to twin spring Monarch) fork and mechanical disc upfront. We would have to consider all current Drive setups before suggesting to Felt about rear wheel/brake/gear type. I think a medium bright blue w/ baby blue trim would look good. If we, on the mb Groups, could organize this and give Felt a fairly accurate number of units we would buy, maybe they would do it. $600.00 for the right bike that I can bolt an EZM onto w/o sprocket alignment issues? I'd do a prepaid 'paid in full' in a NY minute!
     
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