Need professional advice!

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Rain City, Sep 3, 2008.

  1. Rain City

    Rain City Member

    I have been interviewing with a company for the last few weeks, it's been a process thats been going on - actually - for the last few months.

    I would be working for a consulting firm, who has a contract from this company to hire someone for this position.

    Anyways, they just gave me a job offer that was (what i feel) significantly LESS than the range they first proposed. For example, (not the real numbers, but very similar comparison) they said it would pay 50-55, and then later they offered me 45.

    It's been a long process so far, but I feel like they DO want me.

    The job would be great for my career and such, but, it's less than I was making in my previous job, and its just sketchy that they are offering me less than even the range they had proposed!

    What should I do?
     

  2. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    Great for your career ? you say - yes

    in a few years
    do you think
    pay raises will get you to par ?

    can you make it until then ?

    if so -- it's a go --- GOOD LUCK WITH THE NEW JOB

    Ride That Thing - Mountainman
     
  3. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    As someone who has hired and know many who do hiring for their corporations, one word of advice:

    My friends and I would never hire an individual who accepted our initial salary offer without an attempt at a counter offer. We wanted someone who was confident in their abilities and in their value to our company and would at least make a salary counteroffer. If a prospective employee wouldn't fight for themselves, how could we be sure they would fight for their employer's best interest too?

    Be careful, in today's economy many job seekers are so glad that someone is offering them a job, that they accept whatever they offer with a beggar’s nod and smile

    Some responses that you can tailor to address your situation:

    Response 1: "Thank you so much for the offer. I want to bring my skills and talents to your organization. The other companies I am currently speaking with, however, are considering me at a salary somewhat higher than that range. Of course, money is only one element, and I will be evaluating each overall package."


    Response 2: "From my research, $XX,XXX is around the base level for salary for this type of position. Considering my enthusiasm and my general success in the things I set out to do, I believe I'm worth mid-range, say $YY,YYY. What can you do in that area?"

    Good luck!


    By the way, my wife is a Human Resource Manager and it ticks her off that most women NEVER ask for a higher salary during the offer/counter-offer process. She feels this is one of the reasons for the "pay gap" between men and women. She hires mostly hourly employees and some entry to mid-level managers.
     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2008
  4. Rain City

    Rain City Member

    Thanks so much for the responses!

    It's a strange situation to me, consitering up to this point I have been very open about discussing the salary range with him. His title is staffing director, so its his job to get me for the lowest possible - but this definatly caught me off guard. I dont want to go into this job with spite about the salary... hah
     
  5. I believe you already know the true answer.

    Sometimes It helps to hear the same words from a different Mouth.

    Take the job and if it dose not feel right in the future Move on.

    good luck with your new position.

    Cheers:smile:

    Bob

    BlueCollarBike
     
  6. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    Rain,
    The typical rule is that the longer a company waits during the interview process to offer a salary the better it is for you as the job candidate. I'm assuming you offer came after a 2nd interview. If so, they have a fair amount of time (screening, interviewing)invested in you already.

    Company's typically don't interview a person to discover their talents and skills. That is the purpose of your resume and cover letter. 99% of the interview process is to determine your personality, ability to fit within the organization, and to determine if you have enthusiasm and drive.

    You should hold the company to the range they advertised. Don't sell yourself short. I will be using my own advice next week. I have four job interviews lined up already for a new job.
     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2008
  7. kerf

    kerf Guest

    I've always believed that you get it on the way in. If they really love you more may follow but there may be much competition for every rung on the way up. It's a lot easier when they're escorting you to the parking lot. Doesn't pay as well but easier.
     
  8. Rain City

    Rain City Member

    I'm totally fighting for the salary I deserve... I'm sure he knows it's right too because their offer was totally NOT what we had discussed during the interviews and conversations. I'm a young guy so the difference of 5k is a considerable difference to me.

    I'M PLAYIN HARDBALL HERE JERRY! (in my George Castanza voice) :D
     
  9. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    Rain,
    Good luck. My thoughts will be with you as you seek a fair compensation pacakge.
    Please let us know how it works out.

    Do not let pride or feelings of insult/injustice cause you to lose control of your temper. Its just business so don't take things personally. They want to get you as cheap as they can and the fact that they mentioned a range before, indicates that they have budgeted to pay more for the position.

    Take care and best of luck.
     
  10. Rain City

    Rain City Member

    Thank you for your help I will let you know how it pans out... It's just unfortunate that my commute is too far to ride my MB to work :D good reason to get a big brother mo-bike tho...
     
  11. Rain City

    Rain City Member

    Yes!

    I got the salary I wanted!!! YES!!! Thanks guys for the help, esp skyline70 - I used a customized response #2 :)
     
  12. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Rain City, great work, glad it worked out for you. Skyliner's plan worked better than mine, I helped a VP out of a second story window, still got the job but everybody looked at me funny from then on.:confused:
     
  13. Huntington

    Huntington Member

    I wish I read this post before I took my job, I settled for about $10 less then what I felt I was worth. It all worked out in the end though. Manged to move up to the engineering dept. and am making $25 over where I started. 2 years and a lot of hard work, my problem is I'm in a field where my coworkers are 20 years my senior.
     
  14. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    So does that mean you would withdraw the offer after they accepted?
     
  15. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    something in regards to some of the information shared

    seemed just a little off ---

    you have brought up -- AN EXCELLENT POINT !!!!!

    wow -- I sure have my share -------- also...

    Ride That Thing - Mountainman
     
  16. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    Mountainman says -- NO PROBLEM Huntington

    hang in there for short while

    and before you realize it

    you will be the senior person...


    problems such as this
    just have a fine way of working themselfs out -- says Mountainman
     
  17. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    Better to find out early that an "employee" has no drive and self-confidence then later when you find out he/she is a dud.

    WIthdrawing an offer is best done in states with termination "at-will" states. Terminating or offer withdrawal in a "right to work" state is a little stickier but not impossible.

    This practice isn't for hourly unskilled positions but high paying jobs in a cut throat business environment where expectations of the employee are extremely high and employee has to continually prove their value.

    Withdrawing an offer is not unusual. It can be done for a variety of reasons. Business requirements, budgets, and other facts can change quickly and businesses that survive are the ones who can react quickly to the situation.

    Both my wife and I have had it happen for a variety of reasons, many undisclosed. Yes, it sucked when it happened to me. One was for a dream job of mine at a Boeing plant in PA. The job that I was offered was perfect because it allowed me to mix business (government contracting and delivery acceptance) with fun-doing acceptance test flights of a military helicopter. The job was withdrawn for another reason (not salary negotiation issue) that wasn't fair but who said life is fair?
     
  18. Rain City

    Rain City Member

    Some job screening techniques are rediculous!

    I was applying for a job at Nintendo and they asked "do you or have you ever had any misdimenors or felonies" WTF??? As if those two should be in the same category???
     
  19. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    Yes, that is crazy. My kid brother couldn't get a lousy 6.50 dollar/hour job because he had bad credit. NOw thats crazy.
     
  20. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    Problem with that "litmus test" is that you may be passing up a fully qualified person that would be a devoted employee just because he was happy with the salary you were offering. Not knowing that your company is willing to pay more, some folks may be fine with a lower salary because they need to do what it takes to feed their family and keep a roof over their head. So the poor chap goes home and tells his family the great news that daddy has a job, only to find out that the offer is withdrawn. His wife divorces him after his mother-in-law convinces her that he was a bum all along, she gets the kids, the house and the dog. Then he jumps off a bridge to end it all. :p

    Seriously though, playing devil's advocate here, your screening process may be giving you self-centered, narcissistic, greedy employees that want top dollar for themselves, yet may not be willing to put forth that effort for the company. Just because they want more for themselves does not indicate that they will be that strong of an advocate for your companies interests. When we hire people, they are on a 6 month "probation" period before they become full time employees. Within the 6 months, they can be terminated for any reason at any time. (NJ is an "at will" state anyway)

    If a company offers me a job, then withdraws the offer because of financial reasons (budgets, whatever) - I would be happy NOT to work for a company that puts out a job requisition without really knowing if they have money or need for the position.
     
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