Obama Mama's Health Plan ???

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Mountainman, Jul 23, 2009.

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OBAMA MAMA'S HEALTH PLAN ???

  1. I am all for that great OBAMA MAMA'S plan

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  2. OBAMA MAMA'S health plan STINKS

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  1. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    let's see what the vote is right here on site regarding my

    OBAMA MAMA'S HEALTH PLAN

    seems that we have a good old USA cross section going on here on site

    what do you all say

    free health care for all in the USA ??


    I say HECK NO
    we are going broke as a country right now at this time
    this will only make matters so worse

    even when my own son some years back was not working
    I did not think that he deserved free health care
    now the good old US did give free health care to his children
    so what the heck are we talking about anyway
    giving free health care to ones that don't deserve it ??

    it's to my understanding
    emergency rooms can not turn any one away in real need
    and even one's who are in need of an operation that don't carry med insurance
    can file for some kind of free state assistance ??
    yes it takes a long time -- but the price is right -- free

    many of my first jobs back when ----- had no medical insurance
    I knew that when I could I needed to get a better job with health insurance

    these days if one owns close to nothing
    get's seriously sick
    goes to the hospital
    runs up a hundred thousand dollar bill
    he does not have to pay for it here in the US
    it's called bankruptcy
    the cheap and easy way out of almost all financial ((things matters))

    my wife and I enjoy our Kaiser Health plan just plenty
    and we each worked for our own plan separately --- earned and paid for by us

    and NO our OBAMA MAMA ((high priest)) ------- we do not believe you when you say
    if you like the plan that you have you can just keep that

    and we also wonder our one and only OBAMA MAMA -- what's the cost of this THING ??
    no one really knows
    how often in the real world do we buy something and not know the price ???

    like Nancy Regan said -- JUST SAY NO !!!

    MM riding that thing on my own dime
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2009

  2. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Political

    Lock er down !
     
  3. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Issues before us:

    1. Cost, what is the track record of the government in responsible cost control.

    2. Quality, will the quality of care under the proposed plan decline as it has in all countries where it has been tried.

    3. Control, will we and our doctors relinquish the control of our health care to bureaucrats.

    4. Constitutionally, does the proposed plan exceed the powers allowed the Federal Government.

    5. Current System, what efforts have been employed to address the "issues" under the current private health care system.

    6.Decision, should we, as a people, rush headlong into a situation that could forever change our country without having answers to these and other questions.
     
  4. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    it's an important issue

    it's an important issue

    and seems to be more ((financial)) than political

    that's more about what we are looking at -- financial impack -- remember going broke

    maybe you just don't like to see him called our OBAMA MAMA ??

    MM
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2009
  5. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    There is no doubt that we can improve health care here in America.

    Having the government compete with private insurance companies "to keep them honest" as the pres. says, is NOT the answer. Insurance companies will not be able to compete with a competitor that:

    1: Makes all the rules regarding coverage.
    2: Does not have to make a profit.

    Just look at two government programs that involve health care - Medicare and Medicaid. Are these programs running budget surpluses or are they running massive deficits.

    Social Security and the Federal Highway trust fund are two other gubmint blunders. We have the POTUS running around telling everyone we need "stimulus" to "fix our crumbling roads and bridges". Well, sir - what happened to all the money that the gubmint has been taking from us specifically to maintain the roads and bridges?

    But enough whining for now, and time for some common sense solutions.

    To keep health care costs under control, we need to look at why it is so expensive. One of the biggies is malpractice insurance. The government should enact TORT reform to control the number of frivolous malpractice suits and their multi-million dollar settlements/judgments. All these costs are passed on to us. This would also reduce the number of "CYA" tests being done because the doc is fearful of a *possible* lawsuit. No money out of his pocket to order up tests "just in case". Insurance pays, right? Yep - and who pays for insurance? Me and you.

    We also need to redefine what should be covered under a "basic" plan. Does your car insurance pay for oil changes, tune ups, and tires? No, it doesn't. So why should your health "insurance" pay for annual visits, and things like allergy medication or birth control pills.

    What if your car insurance company DID cover oil changes, tune ups and tires. Do you think that your insurance premiums would go up? Your darn right they would. And if insurance covered these items, you really wouldn't shop around for the best price either because the insurance company was paying, not you. Ahhhh, but rates would skyrocket because now there are the additional administrative costs for the insurance companies to pay out oil change claims as well as accident claims.

    So the solution would be a low cost gubmint approved plan, called the "G plan" that all insurance companies would offer. It would provide coverage if you landed in the hospital with an illness, but wouldn't pay for things like annual checkups or "routine" prescription meds like allergy medication, cholesterol meds, blood pressure meds, Viagra, etc. You know, things that you really can't insure. It would have TORT thresholds to control frivolous lawsuits. The "G Plan" will be available to everyone as the "low cost" option to more expensive HMO plans and "gold" insurance plans.

    Do you guys think the "G Plan" is a good idea? Or "right wing claptrap".
     
  6. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    YEEE HAW!!!! I'm here. I'm 65 and they want me to under a training session as to end my life? Anyone ever hear of SOILENT GREEN???
     
  7. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    Is it just me or did anybody else notice there is no way to edit a message that you make. Like for spelling or forgetting a word. Hmmmmmm
     
  8. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    Tom purposely made it that way so we have to live with our words (and spelling errors) forever. Be careful before you click "submit reply".
     
  9. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Hi Zev0, glard to see uou colud maek it. Dam, wsh i had sepeled chked befor hiy'n enetr.
     
  10. fasteddy

    fasteddy Member

    mountainman---The mods told me to bring my reply here. No I'm not setting you up! The last time I did my thing on the beach 3 guys asked if they could join in. She said yes.

    Steve.
     
  11. scokes

    scokes Member

    This is for you MM....
    Obama Mama's Health Plan

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    If you want a higher resolution copy send me an PM with your e-mail address and I'll get it to ya.
     
  12. eastwoodo4

    eastwoodo4 Member

    Automotive wiring diagrams are easier to read than this.
     
  13. scokes

    scokes Member

    My point exactly.
    Nobody said that 1018 page bill would be easy to summarize.
     
  14. scokes

    scokes Member

  15. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    If a bill is too complicated to understand, it is too complicated to work.
     
  16. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    from the retired Civil Service worker -- dang

    from the retired Civil Service worker -- Mountainman

    dang it looks so simple !!!!
    what the **** are they trying to make the common ones believe ??

    we have one guy around here who may just be able to break this THING down
    yes -- good old SS
    but -- it would take even him months to study this THING complect !!

    just back from vacation with the little Mountain Lady
    glad to see this thread back up and running !!!

    just say no to Obama Mama's Health Plan

    yes - I have my health plan - bought and paid for
    for those that do not -- get your own with your own money
    you are not worth breaking the Country for !!
    MM
     
  17. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    I decline to invest the time in such a study. I oppose government run health care - quite frankly, I oppose government run most things.

    Government has one job which it can do reasonably well - when it crosses over into other areas it nearly inevitably messes things up. I say that as someone who once worked for government, as someone who deals with the current mismanaged government health care system constantly, and who doesn't trust government in any way, shape, or form.
     
  18. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Simon's comment is quite correct, it doesn't matter the details in any of the bills in the House or Senate, they all have a fatal flaw. That flaw is the Federal Bureaucracy entering the health care system as a provider of coverage in any form. I believe when the recess is over, Congress will try to defuse public outcry by attempting to reduce but not eliminate the Federal roll as a provider. This is a poison pill that will doom the private health care system in America. The ultimate goal is the so called "single payer" system, meaning that all health care will be insured, provided, regulated and ultimately rationed by the Federal Government.

    As the Federal Government, can operate as a health care provider at a loss, they can force all private providers out of business, until we're left with only the bureaucracy. They can operate at a loss because it's only our tax money being lost. This debate is about the Federal Government acquiring power over the individual citizen, IT IS NOT ABOUT HEALTH CARE. If the debate were about health care, it would address problems of cost within the current private health care system and how the system could be changed to address these issues and still remain private. Once Washington gets it's toe in the door, we will start down the road of Massachusetts, Canada, Great Britain and other European Socialist nations. There will be no turning back!
     
  19. fasteddy

    fasteddy Member

    Kerf,Mass,Canada and Great Britian are not European Socialist Nations.
    Can. and G.B. have socialized health plans.

    I do how ever see your and everyone elses fears of the government getting thier hands on the health system. Thier track record may leave a little to be desired.
    Seems they can't organize a one car funeral. Not just your government either.

    Our newly elected Provincial gov. just told us the provincial tax and federal sales tax are going to be "harmonized". OK I'll translate. That means that as of July 1st 2010 we will be paying 12% sales tax on everything except food and a very few other things. Buy a house? 12% tax. A lot of items like bikes that are now tax free we will now be paying for. The feds gave the little sh8t who is running this Province I.6 Billion to do this after he told us a few months ago it wouldn't happen. He has run this Provice into the ground because of the winter Olympics and needed the money.

    Strap your seat belts on folks because when the plan hits the fan you will be paying Canadian/European prices and taxes.

    God help you.

    Steve
     
  20. kerf

    kerf Guest

    fasteddy,
    Canada and Britain are socialist countries. You don't see it because you're looking from it the inside. I truly would rather die than live in your country and have the government control my life. We are moving in the direction of selling our souls, just as the Canadians and Brits did, I just pray we have one more revolution left inside this nation. I hope you're not offended but that's the way I feel.
     
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