Ontario Laws Regarding Motor Assisted Bikes & Mopeds.

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by chrias, Jul 18, 2007.

  1. chrias

    chrias Guest

    Hmmm...looks like we Ontarians are screwed. I guess it would be best to ride on the sidewalk?
     

  2. chrias

    chrias Guest

    Well it seems like I can't get around that damn message telling me I can't post a link so for any Ontarian interested in reading it just google "Ontario moped law" and you will find the link to the MTO website.
     
  3. OldPete

    OldPete Guest

    Give it 24 hours, then you can link. :cool:
     
  4. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Yo Chrias, you sped right by the Intro area, easy to do on a bike btw.

    The posting link delay is our Spam-prevention device, and sometimes the 24 hour wait on pics/links is shorter....

    BUT, what I wanna know is how you great guys in the North let the gubbmint hornswaggle you right out of the two cycle movement??

    Before Tom got this started last year, I was looking in Wiki, noticed some electric guy in Canada (CyclePat??) raise all sorts of technical h*ll with the Wiki editors about motorized bike definitions, the MOST disruptive Wikiarguement I ever saw.

    Anyway, how did the Canadian electric guys elbow the 2 cycle people right into traffic court??? And does the ban include outside of city limits up there?

    Might be a good opportunity for some Canadian MB history, AND be helpful to us as local do-gooder gubbmints try to tax/title us to death.
     
  5. chrias

    chrias Guest

    Oops my bad for passing the intro.

    The ban is province wide and it's up to the officer to enforce the Highwyay Traffic Act. Some small towns may be able to get away with it due to minimal traffic, etc.

    One of the main reasons the laws were changed were due to the pocket bike craze. A lot of people were stating that they were mopeds and were allowed on the street as they were less than 50cc and you didn't require a license or registration so that pretty much ruined it for everyone.

    There was a big article a couple of weeks ago in the Saturday Star in regards to the electric bike that looks like a gas scooter. It was a pretty interesting read.

    I guess the other reason the two cycle got elbowed is because electric is zero emissions and noise.

    I know there is a petition going around to change the rules and definitions for mopeds because I don't have the time to get an M license plus I don't ever plan on owning a real motorcycle.

    If that pocket bike craze didn't hit and there weren't a bunch of idiots breaking the law then the laws wouldn't have been changed and I'd be able to ride a motorized bike with just my driver's license.
     
  6. chrias

    chrias Guest

    MOPEDS IN ONTARIO

    A moped is classified by the Ontario Highway Traffic Act (HTA) as a 'motor-assisted bicycle' . The vehicle must meet the technical definition contained in the Act and the rider must have a valid Driver's License. To ride a moped any type of license is acceptable. Unfortunately as of November 28 2005, M1 LICENCE IS REQUIRED in Ontario. Mopeds are NOT allowed onto divided traffic highways (400-series, QEW, etc.). Wearing a helmet (motorcycle-grade, or DOT) is mandatory, so is a license plate and insurance (minimum coverage is third party liability).

    MOPEDS ARE EXEMPT FROM SAFETY CERTIFICATION, WHEN OWNERSHIP IS TRANSFERRED/SOLD. MOPEDS ARE EXEMPT FROM PERIODIC AIR-CLEAN INSPECTIONS.

    A moped must have

    working pedals (so it can be driven by human power alone).
    mirror at least one (left side).
    automatic transmission, (no manual or foot shifting of gears is allowed).
    fuel shut-off valve.
    kill-switch (To shut-off engine).
    A moped cannot:

    have an engine displacement over 50cc
    exceed a speed limit of 50 km/h (30 mph)
    carry two persons
     
  7. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    your "bad" for passing the intro again...hey, man, we're a social group & like reading "introduce yourself" posts, that's where we get to know each other :)
     
  8. chrias

    chrias Guest

    Hey, hey, hey, I went and made a post in the intro section afterwards. You're bad for not double checking. :razz:
     
  9. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    :D :lol: :lol:

    i was here the whole time, i see what's up, but we're on the same page now so no matter, eh?

    thanks for the intro, it helps to know a bit about who we're dealing with :)
     
  10. chrias

    chrias Guest

    Sounds like you got a bit of Canadian bacon in you, eh? LOL
     
  11. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    :lol:

    nope, just a long-time makenzie (sp?) brothers fan...oh, shoot, i just gave my age away :p
     
  12. wayde

    wayde Guest

    would we fall under moped laws if we have a hand operated clutch
     
  13. sklein25

    sklein25 Guest


    Good question! Can someone answer that as I too would like to purchase a gas engine for my mountain bike with a manual clutch and ride it on the street. I guess I'll have to go and renew my M1 again so I can ride my mountain bike with an engine on the street. Looks like I'll also need a small mirror and probably a headlight as well as a red tail light or red reflector for the rear of my bike. I always wear a helmet and I guess now I'll need to get some sort of Insurance for my bike if I'm going to be riding it on the street with the engine. Am I missing anything else in order to legally be able to ride a motorized mountain bike on the street?

    Thanks.
    Steve
     
  14. 4x4v8

    4x4v8 New Member

  15. Bandit Bill

    Bandit Bill New Member


    e-bikes are defined as strictly electrical, with 200 kw (?) or less motive power, IIRC.

    In Ontario HTA eyes, these motor-bicycles are not a valid form of motorised transportation, unless they meet all the equipment, safety and licencing/insurance guidelines of a moped. You aren't going to find many motorcycle mechanics willing to sign off on your homebrew motor-bicycle as a Moped either - they simply don't have a valid VIN to register it under.

    Please note, if you are caught and charged under the HTA for insurance issues on it, it's a $5,000.00 fine, right off the bat. I've found that the Regional police forces and OPP generally have little in the way of a sense of humor on ride-stops with invalid, unlicenced, uninsured vehicles - fortunately though, not through my own recent experiences.. :smile:

    Unfortunately, us that live in Ontario have to accept that these are not a good e-bike option at this time.

    It won't stop me from building - i'll be riding where the cops aren't.
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2008
  16. Demosthenese

    Demosthenese Guest

    I live in Ottawa Ontario, and i used my mtb for about 4 months last summer in the city with no issues. I live right downtown, and i work at the Ottawa courthouse ;) I rode that thing to work every day all summer, and it's been parked in an underground cop garage under the courthouse all winter. Never had any problems.

    Be realistic; if you're riding safely and not out of control, they won't even notice as they drive by. Certainly i've been passed by plenty of cop cars while riding hard on the side of the road, and it always make your heart jump, but most of the time, most cops have better things to do. You think they'd show in court to back up the 5k$ fine they gave that kid on the mtb? No. And no judge would fine you that much. More then likely, if you got pulled over, just promise to take it home and not ride it and i bet you'd be fine. If you somehow got ticketed for the full fine, the crown would settle for much less out of court as long as you pretended to be remorseful, ignorant and cooperated with them.

    Some simple things you can do to not get caught (in my experience);

    -grab some 2 stroke ceramic paint and spray your engine the same color as the frame. At a glance from a distance it could be shocks or something else in the frame. My bike is black, so the all black look blends the engine nicely with the bike. It looks like it's suppose to be there.

    -grab a rear mounted gas tank, or build a rack to mount the teardrop one on. It's easy to bolt it on the top bar, but just moving that makes the whole bike look a lot less like a mtb.

    -disable your idle. If you're not making a cloud of oily smoke and a huge 2 stroke racket at every red light right next to immobile cars with open windows, you'll stay more on the downlow. It also forces you to pedal start every time as lights turn green, arguably the most dangerous mtb moment on the roads, because cars never expect you to accelerate like we can. Pedaling means those first two cars pass you as you go through the intersection and you're all ready accelerating past them safely a few seconds behind. The third car in the row is behind you, and was the whole time you sat at the intersection, so they can see you accelerate and you run no risk of being crushed into the sidewalk by a car not expecting you to be on their right quite to fast.

    -be observant. I'm VERY observant when i ride my bike; i'm all too aware of both the number of cops in ottawa and the seriousness of the injuries i could inflict on someone if i was careless. Running into someone is just not an option; being hit by a car, again not really an option. I've been run over twice on my non mtb, and i can tell you it's no fun, and even though both times it was 100% the cars fault, i could probably have avoided the accidents if id been more observant then. Don't assume drivers are competent. They aren't.

    -DONT GO FASTER THEN CARS.

    I'm planning another summer of fun with my mtb in the middle of Ottawa, and i'm truly not worried about police. The worst thing that will happen, imho, is i'll use up my get out of jail free card with this. If i was caught, ticketed and let off, i'd probably hesitate to ride quite as much, but since i have no priors, and i know **** like this gets dissmissed from the court house every day because, low and behold, while legislation might be lobbyable, judges really aren't out to do injustice. I might just try to be more subtle if i had this in my record though.
     
  17. wayde

    wayde Guest

    Well I spoke to the police after cruising the speed limit (50 km/h) beside two police cars for 10 km's. I stopped for a coffee and asked a different officer than the ones i was riding with ( he was a superviser) if i can get in any trouble riding and he said nope i'll be perfectly fine as long as i have lights at night and a helmet all the time wooohooo.

    i also took my bike to a bike shop for some parts they did a mock safety and all i need to pass a safety is a switch that activates my brake light when the fromt brakes are pulled and a fixed headlight then it can have a legal safty, i could register it with the mto as a home built and then insure it, i may have to make up my own vin number though
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 27, 2008
  18. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    where do you take your bike ?
    I am/was a BIG customer of 'the pedlar' on queen st
    very good guys to buy parts from
    they used to be very good with service too...but I've been in AZ for 3.5 yrs, so that may have changed
     
  19. wayde

    wayde Guest

    i have bought stuff from them but i actually went to a motorcycle shop lookin for throttle stuff
     
  20. RMWdave

    RMWdave Member

    well, sad to say it but the cops in my area just pulled me over today and are going to give me a hard time. no ****.

    what a load of ****.....

    i cant get a registration as a moped because it has no vin despite the fact that it falls under MOPED in every way stated.

    isnt gonna stop me from riding to work.....
     
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