Petition to make Florida's RS-68 Null and Void. Anyone In?

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by Bonefish, Jun 24, 2015.

  1. Bonefish

    Bonefish Member

    Bueler, Bueler, Bueler, Anyone, Anyone, Anyone?
     

  2. troyg

    troyg Member

    If I lived in FL, I'd be game, if it weren't for the sad facts.Most things like this get implimented because of incessant complaints of one form or another; the only way to get it repealed would be to convince sheeple that it's somehow "hurting the children" (common lowest denominator bludgeon).
     
  3. Gene

    Gene Member

    F-O troyg you don't even live in Florida. What a fraud you are taking positions on laws in a state you don't even live in.

    And Bonefish good luck making us illegal again. What nonsense, repeal a regulation to make people subject to arrest again. You are batty. I am sure you will get all kinds of support LOL from all the drunks.
     
  4. 1983JZR3W

    1983JZR3W Member

    I live in Florida, too. We should all play nice.....ok?
     
  5. The_Aleman

    The_Aleman Active Member

    Don't melt the ice! Glub glub glub!

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  6. Gene

    Gene Member

    I assume you are quite disappointed for your call for supporters to repeal RS 68. You might want to focus on that instead of me who is thrilled with RS-68 and the current TL 10 As for a counter point there is none. It is the law. So you can have all the opinions you want it does not change the law. As far as dissenters go I have no regard for an outsider trolling in a thread concerning Florida Bike Laws. Their position holds no weight. In your case you want to repeal RS68 well have at it. But I think you will find the majority of Bike owners are thrilled to get the police off their back.
     
  7. Bonefish

    Bonefish Member

    Look, I've got roadies in my family. We do not want motorcycles riding in the bike lanes. Thanks
     
  8. Gene

    Gene Member

    I agree about motorcycles but the other day a street legal scooter was straining to do 25 when all the vehicles normally travel 50 or better. Right next to him was a 6 foot wide bike lane. He was in an unsafe situation and cars were at risk as well braking and trying to pass him. And I thought all of this off limits but for the spandex crowd. As I said above the police told me use the bike lane for every one's safety.
     
  9. troyg

    troyg Member

    "I'm out of state/country" as stated in my reply (that jeannine likes to glaze over) I have no say, though any "law" regarding bicycles is moronic and overstepping in it's conception.So go the whole nine, those here that want to make jeannine eat her own fecal, get some more laws passed along these lines:
    Gross vehicle weight INCLUDING driver as what can be driven where.I can almost assure that jeannine is under 6ft and over 25 stone, which makes her just as dangerous going 20mph as any other bike (regardless of power) because of her BMI.There should be a special endorsement for people over a certian weight.I gather by her incessant drivel posted here, that jeannine is also over 60, it's a fact that after a certian age (unless you keep yourself fit, assume "mommy's little angel" is at least 300lbs so she doesn't qualify as "fit"), they need a special endorsement, as they are a possible risk to others because of slow reaction.Make laws on what may happen, not actualities and you'll soon be paying to walk out your own front door.Good for me, and sadly for the "common sense" people of FL, jeannine lives there, thank your favorite deity.
     
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  10. Bonefish

    Bonefish Member

    My scooter is 49cc and goes 45mph. Look at RS-68. It states max 49cc, max. 2.2hp and max speed 30mph. If I come across a hard nose cop I might be in jeopardy even though I'm registered tagged and wear a helmet.
     
  11. Gene

    Gene Member

    That is true But I am pretty sure you are not going to get a speeding ticket going 40 in a 40 because you exceeded 30 mph. From my discussions the police are more concerned of slow vehicles in higher mph speeds zones causing traffic issues. So at the end of the day common sense rules the day. Your local cop does not have RS68 tattooed on left arm.
     
  12. Gene

    Gene Member

    As for repeal of RS 68 if you remember or maybe you do not. A while back you could register your motorized bike without RS68 under the old TL10 regulations. That is how I registered my bike as a moped. Then a short while after the TL10 was changed it closed the door on a moped registration. Fellas in Florida still went to the DMV and tried to register mopeds but DMV workers did not know what to do with them. Then after some reconsideration for us they changed TL10 again but this time you could register a motorized bike as a motorized bike. But again there was no guidelines for DMV workers to do this. Shortly thereafter the RS68 rules were announced. So we had a track to follow to get a tag. The DMVs were clear on TL10 due to RS68. So instead of calling for the repeal of RS68 you really should be asking to change the TL10 to not require a motorized bike to have a tag yet still be legal in the eyes of the DMV and the Police. Then RS68 would go away.
     
  13. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    Since Florida is mostly flat it wouldnt be an issue there, where I live its fairly hilly. Wonder how they would treat my bike doing a downhill, motor off, at 50 mph on a 60mph road when our states rules, I believe, limits motorized bikes to 30mph?
     
  14. Bonefish

    Bonefish Member

    One of the problems with RS-68 and Motorbicycles is registration. Most of the bicycles I got, I got used off of craigslist and then put a motor on them because I got them inexpensive. No paperwork though. So when registering a motorbicycle how would one register a bicycle with motor on it with no paperwork? Second problem is that no registered, tagged vehicle should not be allowed on the sidewalks or bike paths. RS-68 ruins this for motorbicycles that should be run on the sidewalks and bikepaths for safety sake. My Motorbicycle only went 28mph, but I didn't feel like monkeying around with the clerk at the DMV because I had a used bike with no paperwork.
     
  15. Gene

    Gene Member

    To address your first concern. The DMV requires an bill of sale for the bike so that is not a problem to obtain and the DMV will use the serial number on the pedal crank for the VIN. Most bikes have those numbers in that location. I can understand the sidewalk , bike lane issue you raise however keep in mind they never were legal to be in bike lanes or sidewalks. In fact they were not legal at all. Yes some police looked the other way and many did not as has been documented well here over the years. Many ended up in court with hefty fines. It got so bad at one point a TL10 said explicitly no motors on bicycles would be recognized.
     
  16. KCvale

    KCvale Motorized Bicycle Vendor

    Just for a bit of reason, the only reason everything that goes through a government computer needs a Vehicle Identification Number is because it won't let you save one without a VIN.

    If you built it, give it random string you want.
    Heck, print a cool little sticker like GENE005 and stick it on the bike.

    I use my web sites build ID number that corresponds to it's build topic with pics and serial# but I don't indicate it on the bike, we don't need that here but a concession I am willing to make if the laws are relaxed a bit here in AZ.

    Good luck you Florida guys.
     
  17. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    I've always viewed them as a bike, when pedalling power off, and as a motorized bike when using engine power to power it. Similar to my canoe that has a motor mount for a trolling motor. If I am using the motor I have to follow the powered regulations. If I'm paddling, I don't have to follow the under power rules. So on trails that don't allow power, don't crank up the motor.
     
  18. Gene

    Gene Member

    Nothing wrong with what you say as far as I am concerned. However that concept has been and is muddled in Florida.
     
  19. Bonefish

    Bonefish Member

    The Overseas Heritage Trail in the Florida Keys they have been constructing over the years that will run the length of the Keys when completed, specifically has DOT signs on its entry points that state No Motor Vehicles.
     
  20. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    I think I'd make myself an engine cover and ride the trail under peddle power and take my chances. It would be similar to the hunting rules that you cant have but a 3 shell capacity shot gun for hunting doves so hunters whose shotguns can hold 5 shells use a plug that limits it to 3 shells. An over eager game officer could issue the hunter a ticket, but a wise Judge could dismiss the case and invite the game officer to his chambers for a discussion.
     
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