Riding "slightly" above the law ?

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by Bill P, Jun 6, 2014.

  1. Bill P

    Bill P Member

    Most states have a statute regarding displacement and such, like in Az max displacement is 48cc for no license required.The kit I am looking at is 49.3 cc, do people worry about these things?? I have road a MB for about a year and have never been stopped or questioned just womder how others feel about this...Thanks.

  2. professor

    professor Active Member

    Hi Bill, I have been on here a long time and I never heard of someone being stopped and the officer inspects the engine.

    Now, I am in NY where anything with a motor gets a plate on the back, so I have no experience with your question.
    If you ride safe/ look safe (helmet, safety vest, glasses) / not flying around flagrantly, why would you ever get stopped?

    If you are not sure about the little bit over the cc limit- remove any sticker that says what it is.
  3. Bill P

    Bill P Member

    Prof , I pretty much feel the same way.I want the larger engine for hills not top spead, I'll go with a 1" roller.I was actually trying to determine if the Honda gx35 recoil cover is interchangable with the gxh50, lol.Out here (Az) they ride golf carts, sand rails and quads on the street legally so it's different than back east.I was born in Mineola, N.Y. Lived on L.I. 32 years...Thanks

    Many of my buds went to SUNY Buffalo, spent a lot of time there.
  4. KCvale

    KCvale Motorized Bicycle Vendor

    Hi Bill,
    I've built around 150 motorized bikes for local customers since 2009 here in Phoenix, maybe 30 were 48cc, all the rest had larger engines or equivalent electric power.

    I have been trying since 2010 to get our dysfunctional state congress to take up the issue and expand the engine and speed range, you can sign the petition here.

    The bottom line is the metro police around here don't care whats under the hood, only how you ride it.

    Ride safe and smart is what I tell all my customers and none to my knowledge so far has ever been in a wreck or hassled by the law.
  5. Bill P

    Bill P Member

    Appreciate the info KC . Petition signed.
  6. Phil21

    Phil21 New Member

    A lil off topic tho its legal in FLA to ride,QUESTION is there a big difference in power on a 66cc over a 49cc?
  7. KCvale

    KCvale Motorized Bicycle Vendor

    3/4 horsepower, 48's are about 2HP, 66's about 2.75HP, both can get about 1/2 horse boost with a good expansion chamber exhaust.
  8. wheelbender6

    wheelbender6 Well-Known Member

    Seems like the limit was 49cc when I lived in AZ. There is no indication of displacement visible anywhere on those China girl engines.
  9. KCvale

    KCvale Motorized Bicycle Vendor

    Nope, been 48cc since 2006 when they made legal via this resolution.

    Skyhawk engines, which had EPA approval for a few years had the info on the sticker and on a metal plate riveted to to the left side clutch cover.

    The 48cc cover plates were coveted ;-}
  10. Bill P

    Bill P Member

    Yep, its 48cc in Az, consensus is cops dont care, unless your showing blatant disregard, which is good for us.

    I can't decide between a staton crankshaft kit (Honda gx35) or a frictiondrive (Honda gxh50), I am thinking the 35 could outperform the 50 with the gearing ? Same price, pretty expensive!! Lol!
  11. KCvale

    KCvale Motorized Bicycle Vendor

    'Berry Berry' good for us and me especially me as I tend to keep building to extremes but not an issue to the law if ridden in a safe manner to you and those around you.

    Ever watch 'Tool Time'? grunt sounding 'Errggh, Errggh,Errggh, More Power!'
    Tim Allen, Loved it ;-}
    In that vain 35cc just sounds pretty wimpy Bill.
  12. Bill P

    Bill P Member

    KC, I would tend to agree with you (35cc=wimpy), with say a f/d arrangement.The crankshaft kit I am looking at has a high top speed (which I am not that concerned with, but it is nice to be able to maintain speed pulling a grade) and good pulling power through gearing.My ideal kit would be a frame mount kit with shift kit with a reliable engine, that seems to be the consensus.Gotta wonder why a "reliable" kit has not surfaced.The staton side mount kit is close, just get that damn motor in the frame rails, lol.I need the kit to get me back and forth to schoool for the next 2-years, so I need serious reliability.I am not knocking the china girl Grubee kits as a whole, they have their place and are cool.Tool time was cool, love Tim Allen !
  13. KCvale

    KCvale Motorized Bicycle Vendor

    You are lucky Bill, you are local to me and I kind of specialize in fitting the right bike, power plant, and drive train to the users needs and budget.

    Needs vs Desires vs Budget is always the hardest part, and budget is usually the bottom line.

    I don't usually sell parts, especially motor kits as I don't have to handle endless questions to make $20 on a engine kit a rookie tries to build when I build bikes tested and ready to go and seldom here from customers after the sale other than their free tune-ups.

    I can steer you in the right direction for free if you like and do have some new parts if you think you handle the building with little help.
  14. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

    The main reason why people get stopped is because they behave like an idiot when riding their motorized bicycle. The second reason why they get stopped is because people report a motorized bicycle to the police when they ride their bike like an idiot; with no respect shown to other road users or cyclists.

    I've travelled over 55,000 kilometers (34,200 miles) in 4 1/2 years and have never been stopped by the police. It might have something to do with the fact that i ride sensibly and in keeping with speeds that are appropriate for a bicycle.
  15. Bill P

    Bill P Member

    Sounds reasonable !