Though there are risks, I'm happy about rising gas prices.

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by bluegoatwoods, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    I'm in the same boat as most anyone else; I'm not made of money. No multi-millionaire grandpas in my family tree and, though I'm hard working, I've never learned how to build a fortune from my own work. I've had good times and I've had deep, deep "recessions" when I hardly remembered what a penny looks like, let alone rub two of them together.

    I have a Chevy pickup that's just a few years old with 90,000 miles on it. And since I can't afford to drive it much anymore, I expect it'll last me quite a while.
    My wife's car is respectable, if not a big head turner. I don't care how long it lasts; I doubt if we'll ever need two vehicles again.

    And I am aware that high fuel prices could devastate our economy. I don't want that. But does it have to be? Is it possible that we'll sacrifice our cars and let the trucks and buses have whatever fuel is available? I just saw a news story about municipalities worrying about their budgets and considering, for instance, police patrols by golf cart.

    How about a world where people are getting around by foot, golf cart, scooter, bicycle and, of course, motor assisted bicycles.

    The trucks could get around much more efficiently when the cars are out of the way. Our roads would not need as much maintenance and they would be cleaner out of sheer demand. We wouldn't have to ride through a shoulder full of debris anymore. People would get out and talk to not just their neighbors but their whole neighborhood. We'd get fresh air and exercise.

    I don't suppose I need to go on; you see where I'm headed. But I watch crude oil going above $143.00 (and surely higher in the future) and I cheer it on. Secretly, really, because I don't think this view is popular.

    I don't know if I'm right about that. But I can't help feeling more optimistic than I have in a long time. We might have a gorgeous transportation system crammed right down our throats.


  2. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    I will add that there has been one downside on the personal level; my wife has had a hard time coming to grips with the notion that we can no longer afford to drive anywhere we might want or need to go. She seems to think that I'm just trying to make her life miserable and she's given me a hard, hard time about it.

    But just this morning I heard her admit (not to me, she'd never do that. I just overheard) that she's feeling better now that she's riding bikes and buses. So a gleam of hope is now shining on us.

    It's been a pretty good day.
  3. augidog

    augidog Banned

    hehe...the administration is playing right into our evil save the planet!
  4. The problem is even if motorized bikes and the like use little fuel, what happens if there is a shortage because of all the trucks and stuff out there? We may not even be able to get $.50 worth of fuel when we need it. Can gas be stored for long periods? Doesn't it turn to a worthless varnish-like liquid?
  5. softride

    softride Member

    gas shelf life

    Most modern gasolines have a short shelf life but if you were storing a qty it would pay you to rotate it and or treat it with STA-BIL which slows the varnish accumalation
  6. srdavo

    srdavo Active Member

    What a positive spin!!!

    ....when life hands you lemons.....Let's go to bluegoatwood's house!!
  7. When we have a gas embargo like we did in the 70's,I'm gonna buy 10 gallons of gas. That's good for 1,600 miles on Cronus. Then I'm gonna drive by all the many gas lines and smile.
    It's gonna be glorious.
  8. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    Deleted the uber-political & racist posts. Please play nice... :)
  9. DougC

    DougC Guest

    I was told that gas can still be stored for quite a while, IF it is stored in an air-tight container filled up to the spout (very little AIR in there) and if it is stored where the temperature is always stable (such as a cellar). The temperature swings it will get if stored in an outdoor shed (for example) is a big factor in it separating.

    I don't gots no basement though so I can't really try it to find out. :|
  10. SirJakesus

    SirJakesus Guest

    I haven't even been making trips to the gas station with my MB lately. I just fill my cars gas tank up when I need to and use a siphon pump to remove some of my own fuel. If I had to I would just fill the car to the top (12.5 gal) and stabilize it. Whoever said global recession and even depression is a bad thing? Personally seeing our planet and people trashed by consumerism makes me sick. We have no culture in this country other than money worship and product accumulation. Maybe depression would force people to be more self reliant on their LOCAL economy and agriculture rather than buying products and services from across the world. What we're seeing today in the markets has been in the works for decades. You can only shift money around to hide problems and make it look like your businesses are turning a real profit for only so long. Eventually the banks tricksters run out of new suckers to take on bad debt and every one of their firewalls comes down from the enormous pressure placed on it. Previously sound investments (mortgage backed securities?) turn to garbage. The only real sound investment today is to invest in the necessities. Food, water, fuel, defense... Precious metals can't be a bad choice as long as you hold them in your hand. Gold has tripled in value against the dollar in the past couple years. And an ounce of gold is always an ounce of gold. A dollar can be printed by the millions whenever Bernake decides to bail out another investment firm like Bear Stearns.
  11. GasKicker

    GasKicker Member

    I'm trying to look at the gas price thing as a positive.
    Many energy alternatives have not been developed because the processes were expensive compared to gasoline. Now that gasoline is catching up, alternative fuels are becoming more commercially attractive.
    Once big industrial concerns smell profits in alternative fuels, research and developement of these processes will really take off and competition will force them to develop these resources more and more economically.
    We will one day return to cheap, efficient energy using technologies which, until now have not been profitable to develop. That's the beauty of capitalism.
    The best scientific and engineering minds are employed by industry and not academia. (Geeks like money too!)
    Even the oil companies will be forced to put their considerable resources behind these new developments. Money drives technological development much more than imagination or inspiration alone.
    Wouldn't the world be a better place if we could tell the OPEC nations they can kep their oil and eat sand?

    Just my opinion.
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2008
  12. eljefino

    eljefino Member

    One is always happier volunteering for change instead of having it forced upon them.

    Many egomaniacs would hate a motored bike b/c of grease on their pants leg or simply losing the ability to look over all the other traffic on the road. So if they had to ride one they'd blame Al Gore for trying to run their lives or whatever... instead of making the conscious choice not to let "the man" from either political party... lets face it... they're all crooks... leave them in the dust.

    Or perhaps they think Motoredbikes belong to Bangladesh peasants of the rickshaw class...
  13. Marktur

    Marktur Member

    Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!

    I actually remember "borrowing" my moms car (not licensed yet) and sitting in a gas line for 3 hours with the hottie of the school at the time...thanking God for long gas lines, and then thanking him again for allowing me to get home before my stepfather arrived to find the car missing! OMG! If my kid tries to pull a stunt like that I'll....

    Oh no! I've turned into my parents!!!! Helllllllp!

    * * *
    Sorry about the previous political post, glad you deleted it Lou. That's why I shouldn't watch the news. I'm pretty sure we all feel the same way, I just vocalized it.
  14. augidog

    augidog Banned

    cars/trucks would become valuable gasoline storage units, maybe living quarters too if things keep going the way they are ;)

    let's take a wild guess that companies like walbro are all over R & D...carbureting for future alternate-fuels...if they aren't yet, they'll have to soon :)

    very good topic :cool:
  15. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    To SirJakesus,
    Your description of our society matches pretty well with some of my thinking. It does seem unhealthy doesn't it? And what worries me terribly is the lack of concern about it. Very few people seem to feel that there is anything wrong with the notion that one is not respectable unless he is up to his eyeballs in debt.
    Thanks. It's good to know that at least someone else is concerned about it.

    To Large Filipino; now THAT'S a positive spin!

    To srdavo; "when life hands you lemons, go to bluegoatwoods house" Thanks, and we do have a reasonably fun household. Though we don't party as much as we used to. But you ought to check out my father-in-laws house. Old Welshman (grew up there) who is always looking for an excuse for a party. He's aging so these partys are not as common as they used to be in the old days. But still a fun place and a very bad influence on those who want to avoid hang-overs, you can take my word for it.
  16. bucvoss

    bucvoss Member

    I did not mean to offend anyone with my post. If i did i sincerely apologize.It wont happen again
  17. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    What did you post, again?
  18. crabdance

    crabdance Member

    Way to go!

    Way to go BlueGoat. Nice thoughts you have put down. I find myself feeling much the same way as you. There is a silent revolution going on because of gas prices. Just yesterday I was counting all the extra motorcycles on the road and there were a LOT more than usual. The Harley shop here says that its business is booming and so are the bicycle shops.

    I too am hoping that the cost of gas will bring a new positive thinking to alternative modes of transportation. I think there are more mb's on the road now than there ever has been. Me being a proud member.

    I look forward to the day where seeing a mb is a normal sight and expected. When that happens, kit quality will go up and things will be better for all of us.

    Anyway, not to ramble on... just wanted to thank you for a great post!
  19. srdavo

    srdavo Active Member

    apology accepted!:)

    we're NOT going back there, again! :p

    just lemonade....fresh-squeezed lemonade!! ;)

    me too, too!!:)
  20. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    Yes, some interesting post here... This gas issue is complicated -- yes, it helps to make ones seek other alternatives - MB's ect... Almost all other countries pay far more for gas than we do... We - the USA have been getting a deal in regards to oil and gas for a long time -- seems those days are long gone !!! As much as the rise in the cost of gas helps our cause - we in the future will suffer greatly with A MUCH HIGHER COST OF LIVING (due to oil increases) for ALL products and services used --- food, clothing, housing --- oil prices also effect our stock market - thus our retirement accounts - and the list goes on and on and on... Grab on tight and ride that bike --- Happy Riding from - Mountainman
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2008