Titan Sold Out Till Sept 08

Discussion in 'Dealer Advertisements' started by thatsdax, Jul 9, 2008.

  1. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest

    I am sorry to report that we are all sold out of Titans and are working franticly to get out all sold Titans. We should be caught up by the Middle of Sept at which point we will take more orders. Also.. By Sept we will have the TITAN XC R3. This will be the latest version. New pricing will also be posted at that time. For now please note, there is no waiting list and no monies for any waiting list will be taken. We have now the help we need to get caught up and once we are caught up, there should be no more delays or long waits for shipping on this Awesome 4 stroke Titan . Thanks.. Sincerely.. Duane..

  2. stude13

    stude13 Active Member

    kudos dax; very clear info. it seems most suppliers are behind. which is good for them and maybe good for the hobby in that some oeople that want alternative tran. choices might come up with ways as yet unknown or variations on the theme. wheres my drink?
  3. astring

    astring Member

    can you give us a run down on the TITAN XC R3
  4. Yea this is actually pretty good news overall that our motor-sport is growing!
    It seems supplies are limited everywhere!
  5. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest

    You bet !!!

    The R3 Plate will be steel for lighter weight and will be Chromed, the Sprockets will be milled out and 1 piece instead of the Current welded version. Also it will have 2 locking grade 5's instead of the current single. Also the Throttle cable will be much longer at 145-150cm for those that wish to move the setup further back and the Torque strap is beefed up and chromed as well. Since I have entered agreement with my production factory under copyright, they will be produced and sold world wide so supply should able to keep up with demand and I am hoping to lower Costs. Since I am having them produced in such large numbers, I am hoping to lower costs and pass this savings on to my Customers. We shall see if this come to fruition. The cost to have them chromed may offset the production savings. But.. You can bet if my costs drop, my price to Customers will also drop. Engines are EPA and CARB Approved as always . I should have the new R3 in the next few weeks. Fingers crossed. As a target. I would like to know what price range this Kit would have to be in order for everyone to have one.. I mean..What would be the price of this kit have to be in order to win everyone over. Right now the price is over 400. The 2 stroke kits are around 200. Is there some way to do a survey? I have seen polls and voting.. Can someone set this up ? Or tell me how to do it ? It would be nice to have a target to shoot for. A target price. I would like to see what that price would be and then see if I can do it !!! LEt me know anyone.. Thanks... Enjoy the ride...
  6. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    I think a 100 dollar price differential between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke would win me over for a rack mount but for a frame mount, I'd gladly pay 400 bucks.
  7. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest

    Humm..... That is.....

    Humm.. Intresting skyliner.. Intresting request.. Why so much more for an in frame version? Please elaborate.. thanks....
  8. Hi

    I'll second the frame mount vote....Better balance mainly,but I like more "motorcycle" format look too, Plus for hard core commuting, you can add a rear bike rack to haul stuff
    (hard to do if the engine is in the way)....Lastly, it is way easier to mount and dismount the bike on a center mount since you don't have to swing you leg over the entire engine assembly....

    Hope this helps you....Glad your sales are doing so well!


    PS - FWIW I'd love to see a high quality high performance 2 stroke...I think THAT would be the best! ;-)
  9. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    Reasons (most are preferences)

    1. Balance: A frame mount is a more traditional and natural location that doesn't disturb the balance of the bike. I don't know about you but when I'm climbing steep hills pedalling or using the engine or pedalling with the motor running, I often find that my front tire lifts off of the ground. This is with a normal mountain bike or a bike with frame mount. A rear mount would worsen this situation due to increased weight on rear of bike. THis is not an issue for those who ride on normal road grades.
    I do like the fact that your engine rack mount system is evenly balanced along the bike centerline and not offset like other kits (yuk). Seems like your rack has good lateral balance and I like that.

    2. Appearance: I don't like the look of a rear mounted engine that is fairly noticeable in height.

    3. Fuel: I prefer a "real" fuel tank that is mounted on the handlebars for appearance and increased fuel capacity. A frame mounted bike would allow me this option (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

    These aren't great reasons but enough for me to pay a premium. If it wasn't for the lousy and loud gear noise on current 4 stroke kits, I'd already own one. Maybe you should provide a replacement gearbox that is superior to the junk that is out there and will work with existing 4 stroke kits if you don't want to adapt your rack mount engine/pto to frame mount.

    I REALLY DO THINK THERE IS AN UNMET NEED FOR A RELIABLE, QUIET FRAME MOUNT 4 STROKE. You'd corner the market if you came up with one.
  10. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    Yep, I agree with Andy that an alternative would be a high quality 2 stroke motor that has better port timing, reed valve induction, a real carbuetor not one that is basically a drip carb :) and with better power. Its a shame that my 32cc 2 stroke weedwhacker develops more power and more RPM than my HT engine :)

    Speeking of paying a premium, I'd pay double for a replacement gas cap that doesn't leak!!!!!!!!!!!
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2008
  11. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest

    well.. That is intresting...

    That is interesting . and now that you mention it, I have an In frame 4 stroke using the Titan 48cc motor with the best gear box ever !! The only problem is that 3:1 reduction is not cutting it. And the other problem is the Base mounting plate and the Crank replacement setup is not Ideal. The Base mounting plate and Crank setup can be over come. My worry is that the Factory may not be able to provide me with the Ideal 5:1 reduction needed while keeping the gear box slender. That is my concern. I am sending the gear box to my factory to have them try to make it 5:1 and keep it slender. IF they can do that, the industry will have its first true reliable bullet proof quiet and smooth in Frame 4 stroke. By next spring maybe? We will see. As for now, The Titan is a carrier based platform that is top shelf and R3 will be here soon, and will blow everyone away!! I am not kidding. It is awesome !!! The factory has done a stellar job !! The R3 Sample improvement I am testing is just Awesome !!! I love the Chrome I must say.. My hope is that the new Titan XC R3 will be ever more affordable . What good is the best Engine and adapter kit in the world if it is not affordable? Well.. This R3 will be the best on the Planet and will be super Affordable. Just wait and see. At the same time, I will put American know how to work on the in frame version. The goal is Better, Faster, and less expensive. Hang in there. It just gets better and better. Enjoy the ride...
  12. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    I have to ask - why faster?

    One of the most certain attractors of police attention is speed - a bike going 20-25, no biggie. A bike going 35-45 - very much a big deal. Sure, speed has its uses and its places, but as most states laws are now written, much over 20 is breaking the law. Sure, some states it's higher, but the highest I've encountered is 30 mph, max. Twenty will get you there, just the same as 30, or 40, or 50 will - in fact, the odds of ACTUALLY getting there are better at 20.

    Bullet-proof quality? Great stuff! Frame mount? Really nice to have for lots of reasons. Economy of operation with a cleaner burning engine? I'm all for it. Thirty, forty, or fifty mph on a bicycle, engineered for human power and human sustainable speeds? Arrest that man, and impound his illegal bike.

    Just my opinion.
  13. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    Dax lives in Colorado and a na gas engine loses 3% HP for every 1000 foot gain in altitude. Some engines are an absolute dog on steep Colorado hills due to the effect of density altitude on engine power.

    Others just want more speed at an affordable price regardless of what the laws are.

    If Pablo and his partner market their jackshaft, would you be willing to sell your current 3:1 reduction frame mount? The issue of gearing wouldn't be solved, wouldn't it? I personally would use the jackshaft to drive a Nuvinci hub so I don't have to worry about a derailleur failing.


    PS: Forum moderators; a big THANK YOU for the spell check. I wouldn't have been able to spell derailleur without it.
  14. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    Yep, I know where he lives.

    I've known LF for quite a while now, long before either he or I ever made appearance on this board. His CRONUS bike I named for him, and it's running Dax's Titan engine in rack mount. He lives at the same altitude, essentially, as Dax, he rides a LOT of miles on that bike, and freely acknowledges it easily will go 20 mph with his Large self aboard.

    So, let's face it, it isn't about power to obtain reasonable legal speeds. Now, I don't knbow what Dax does for pleasure riding - I would be up in the mountains at every opportunity, if I lived there - so more power to deal with slopes and altitude I can easily understand. Over the last three years I've crossed Colorado, southeast to northwest basically (and the reverse), six times. I make a point out of using secondary roads and looking at the countryside, so I do have a pretty fair idea of the terrain issues.

    That's not the issue, per Dax. The issue is speed. The problem with that is, the higher the speed, the greater the likelihood of accident or catastrophic mechanical failure of an overstressed bike asked to do things for which it was never intended or engineered. The higher the speed, the greater the likelihood of doing significant harm to yourself (go ahead, that's your hide) and/or others and their property. It's that last bit that is the rub - putative adults can choose risky behaviors for themselves if they wish, and while I might deplore the choice, I support your freedom to make it.

    You DO NOT have the right to impose those risks on others. Nor do you have the right to act in such a fashion as to provoke a punitive reaction on the general populace by authority figures, which is what WILL happen if you insist on flaunting the law as regards speed, driving habits, etcetera. If you do so, then I encourage that punitive reaction to focus on you, and leave the responsible, sensible majority to go about their lawful affairs without harrassment.
  15. All that is good SS but it really comes down to the rider.
    Anyone can get more speed by adjusting the number of teeth by the rear sprocket.
    But it's up to the owner if he/she wants to break the law.
    You can have a car with a big block and 500 horses and a six speed gearbox with two overdrive gears capable of taking your car to 150 mph plus but you still need to keep the same speeds as everyone else. And car magazines everywhere posts top speeds of cars all the time.
    I think more power is great because at speeds the engine is simply not working as hard,and like you said,more power means a few extra mph going up that hill,a little less pedal assisting.
    Some people here simply gauge top speed as what she can do and base all that on the actual quality of the product. But I don't think that's suggesting that we should all speed.
    Guys here are even coming out with gears and such that may bring their bikes to moped speeds but it's up to the owners how this is to be used.
  16. kaploink

    kaploink Member

    Which will eventually be the downfall of the motorized bicycle as states create new laws due to injuries sustained by these types of riders or complaints of reckless motorized bicycle riders. Those that are old enough will remember such laws being created in the 70s for mopeds due to similar careless riders.

    This is something the vendors should not contribute to. They would better serve the community and their long term profits by focusing on reliability. Which would increase both the reputation of the bikes as a alternative means of transport as well as the reputation of the vendor.
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2008
  17. srdavo

    srdavo Active Member

    well said!!
  18. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    +1. Hear Hear!! Exacatically
  19. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    I would rather go 20mph all day long, than 40mph for 10 minutes :lol:
  20. wavygravy

    wavygravy Guest

    hear! hear! bad berrys to the unruly vendors & riders that promote such carelessness , hey guess what? there are those of us here that take our motoredbikeing very seriously! its not a toy folks!!! FOLLOW THE LAW!!