USA Made Bicycle Engines

Discussion in 'Spare Parts & Tools' started by 210061741, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. 210061741

    210061741 Guest

    Ok lets switch gears here a little.

    Some members of the forum are interested in the high performance engine building.
    For instance this supercharged motor.

    I certinly fit into that category.

    So what is the deal why don't it happen?

    Sometimes I think we spend more time as a community debating about what will work and what wont and who's lying and who's wrong......ECT ECT ECT.

    This is non productive and wile it lets some of us vent we still don't have a supercharger.

    So if you want a super charger how about this..........

    I know there are many very talented individuals here.
    If we all pull together and work together those talents combined can bring the things you want.

    I am certinly willing to help i can make drawings and have a plethora of info on these engines allready.

    But i don't know everything about superchargers.

    Yes i understand the concept.

    However the only turbos i have seen are run off the exhaust and spin a turbine.

    I used to machine compressor housings and turbine housings for Holset and Cummings Disel Engines.

    Disel engines are very close to a 2 stroke so yes the turbo concept is definatly vaild.

    Now the standard HT i have pushed very hard but we will need to investigate the safty and do stress anaylisys.

    If you all want to make this happen.....Maybe we can.......If i can put together a decent design with all your help i know someone who may sponsor me to build and test it.

    I'm not allowed to mention names here i got infracted for it.

    If we get a soild design thats not mickey mouse i can get funding and test it.

    So it's up to everyone.
    Want better things.
    Start working together to get them.

    Ricing Rich

  2. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

    Hi Rich

    You radiate "credibility", based on your previous works of "making things happen".

    I still like the novel idea of a double sleeve valve engine, but it has significant drawbacks, the main one being cold weather starting issues with such a high degree of oil film strength between the sleeves.
    It would be like a Formula 1 engine that requires water and oil pre-heaters before an attempt at starting the thing would be made possible.

    The extra weight of sleeves and thermal transfer to radiated surfaces would also cause some nightmares.

    Aside from an engineering exercise, it's a failure just waiting to be confirmed.
    Be that as it may, the potential for supercharging using variable exhaust port timing is excellent.

    Another variation on supercharging is turbo compounding, originally used on WW2 radial engines, where exhaust energy is absorbed through an exhaust turbine, connected via a coupling mechanism, feeding power back to the crankshaft.
    This may be a more workable system than an outright turbo or supercharger.

  3. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

  4. 210061741

    210061741 Guest

    Thanks for the info.

    To tell you the truth i am actually working on a very feasible engine design which uses some never before seen techonlogy and increases power and fuel efficcency better than 30% and drastically reduces emmisions.

    The technology is allready patend and thats good because i have explicit permission from the designer and owner of the patens to incorporate his design into our bicycle engines.
    In fact he is going to send me a running prototype to use.

    They claim 100mpg in an automobile so i can only imagine what it will give us in this little motor.

    It is a ways off at least 6mo to a year to fully develop and test.

    Anyway maybe at that point a supercharger will do more good.

    Until then hopefully i don't gen infractions for discussing this engine.

    Just seems to me this is a good place to discuss performance options.
  5. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    Is this a patented two stroke design? Is anyone else licensed to use this technology? If so, who is currently employing it?
  6. 210061741

    210061741 Guest


    This is a Patented design.
    It is for 2 stroke 4 strokes and disel engines as well as compressors and generators.
    Only the 2 individuals who have the patens have manufactured it.

    Nobody else is licenced to use the technology.

    Currently i am working with these guys and my normal sponsor, We have explixit permission to utilize there technology.
    In fact they are going to send me a running prototype in the near future.
    And currently we are working on the design as a team.
    Designed specifically to fit into a motored bike.

    So this is some very exciting stuff.
    Yes we are still in the early design stage but honestly i don't see it being more than a year to perfect it.

    This new concept isn't with the intention of high horsepower......It is with the intention of High Efficency and lower emmisions.
  7. 210061741

    210061741 Guest


    I have more but here is the patten.

    So you see this is real my friend.

    Be a believer.

    Attached Files:

  8. 210061741

    210061741 Guest

    Attached Files:

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  9. augidog

    augidog Banned

    i have nothing i could add to the techie stuff.

    i believe things when i see 'em but it don't mean i'm a doubter in the meantime...i like to watch development of new things but not gearhead debate for debate's sake, and i get turned off real fast by hype for advertising purposes during the process.

    i have one more thing:
    now, THIS i like, get that part done for the masses, & the ensuing aftermarket will take care of the gearheads :cool2:
  10. 210061741

    210061741 Guest

    I'm not trying to advertise.

    But i do take pride in my hard work.

    Showing it off is part of the reward for doing.

    Certinly all this will not happen overnight.

    But in time it will.

    And i agree.....There is nothing to debate or argue about here.

    This is simply about producing a Quality Bicycle Engine that isn't imported and far surpasses the EPA requirements.

    And BTW.

    This is good for 4 Strokes too.....

    See no one gets left out.

    Thanks to everyone for your support.
  11. seanhan

    seanhan Member

    Very Interesting

    It's nice to see some fresh thinking on the old I.C.E. !!!
    There are so many ways it can be improved on, We have only begun to see the tip of the iceberg..
    Lot's of cool things to come over time...
    Keep up the good work, The future belongs to those with the dream !!!

  12. graucho

    graucho Active Member

    I agree seanhan...
    Keep moving ahead 210061741. I'll be buying from you when the time comes or experimenting with one of your prototypes. I appreciate those who dream then pursue it. Even those who dream and never finish... At least they lived a little life within the dream.
  13. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    Are there any videos of a working prototype?

    (And BTW - it is a "patent" and "patented". Using the correct terminology will go far in gaining more credibility.

    Looks like a copy of a Happy Time. Which is a copy of a Russian design. So that makes it a copy of a copy. Which isn't a bad thing I suppose.

    If the original HT design were copied and produced with quality die cast parts for the cylinder and engine case, it could be a very good seller.
  14. 210061741

    210061741 Guest

    Just a starting point.

    Many modifications to be made.
  15. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

    Hi Rich,

    Lovely work, please keep aggressively pushing ahead with the design and manufacture.

    From what i can see, the clutch cover mating surface has provision for an o-ring seal, which gives possibility to a wet clutch design.

    Rich, my credit card is starting to salivate; leaving disgusting dribbles on the desktop.

  16. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    Like ports for a two stroke, or a valve train for a 4 stroke!

    Is the funky patented crankshaft design going to fit in that engine case?
  17. 210061741

    210061741 Guest

    Working on it.
    Perfection takes time.

    Yes there is a version of the crankshaft for our engine.
  18. 210061741

    210061741 Guest

    Be nice ARCEEGUY

    Wer'e doing good things with good intentions here.

    A little support goes a long way.
  19. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    It's not a matter of "being nice" - but asking critical questions.

    A lot of people have had some pretty wild pipe dreams, and only a small percentage have seen those dreams turn into reality. (Sick Bike Parts and their jackshaft kit, Quenton and EZ motorbike Co.)

    Just keeping you guys on your toes. As always, no malice intended.
  20. jimraysr

    jimraysr Member

    Exhaust Turbo Compounding

    The new Detroit clean air diesels have exhaust turbo compounding in addition to a cat converter which has diesel injection if the cat fall below min. converter temperatures.

    My buddy drove several of these to shows for dealers and industry.

    One morning before making his run for the day, he climbed up and put his hand inside the exhaust stack. Clean no soot, nada. Impressive.