What's up with the Ambassador?

Discussion in 'Whizzer Motorized Bicycles' started by del, Oct 3, 2008.

  1. del

    del Guest

    I'm seeing new Ambassadors discounted as low as $1400. The rumor is that Whizzer over-bought the Ambassador, and under-bought the NE5. But I'd like to hear what's really going on from folks in the know.

    I'm in enough trouble already with my beloved CFO for having bought an NE5, but is now the time to pop for an Ambassador?

    "It followed me home, honest, can I keep it?"

  2. KilroyCD

    KilroyCD Active Member

    Del, I'll clue you in on a PM.
  3. jbcruisin

    jbcruisin Member


    They're even trying to sell lots of new ones on Ebay
  4. sk8erpunk

    sk8erpunk Member

    You know, I love the way the Ambassador looks. If it had pedals ...
  5. Kep1a

    Kep1a Guest

    The Ambassador seems to be a product looking for a market.

    It does not have enough consumers that would seem to justify even producing it. The price point was wrong. The intended market already is full of scooters for less cost.

    The market however is there for the NE5. But they decide to stop making them. A very bad move IMHO.

    Wisdom would say produce what works and refine that product while improving the product quality. Make small improvements over time to help spurn sales even to current owners. This allows for a used NE5 market through current owners selling to new customers when they upgraded to the newer better much improved NE5 models. The used NE5 owners would produce loyal future customers who would likely buy new after enjoying the used unit for a couple years. The cycle would start again and would keep expanding the market base. Everybody wins

    Seems to me as a result of not keeping to their proven product line that the Whizzer folks are in for some tough times ahead.
  6. sk8erpunk

    sk8erpunk Member

    well, the Ambassador is now comparatively priced with the moped market (a new Tomos will run you about 1600 now), but ... there is less local tech support, I think, for the Whizzers and not having pedals makes it a tougher sell (to me, anyway ... I like assisting my bike on the hills).
  7. astring

    astring Member

    How about more info on this. I may want one.
  8. astring

    astring Member

  9. Egor

    Egor Guest

    I think the problem is that the bike is not close enough to the looks of the original Ambassador. Whizzer sells there bikes on nostalgia more than anything. The fact that Ne5's meet the qualifications of a motored bike is also a benefit that helps, along with good gas mileage. To me its just a wanna be chopper with a lawn mower engine. One thing it needs is the two speed gear clutch. Also If it has the same problems that the NE5 has that would also be a turn off. With the NE5 the love of the bike keeps the customer content with fixing the factory problems, and this sites help,(Thank You Very Much). I have a hard time with the looks of that electric starter. If they would have brought back the kick starter some of the owners of the NE5's would have purchased them also. And talk about missing the thoughts of the buyers, Ill never understand stopping the production of the NE5. Oh well they never asked me what I thought. LOL. It is funny when you think about it, they built the Ambassador to compete with the little Honda I was riding when they went out of business, now they rely on a bike they did not try out in sales before they stopped there money maker. I hear it rides nice and stops well, just don't know what to call it. They call it Ambassador but it looks like something else. Have fun, Dave
  10. astring

    astring Member

    I wonder if Q can give a real run down on the problems one could expect to run into with a new Ambassador. Are they pretty much trouble free? Are they one gear or can you change gears as you accelerate? They definitely need a plate in AZ. Does anyone in AZ have one (how hard to register it?) This price really has me. I weigh 225 will that be a problem?
  11. Egor

    Egor Guest

    Yea it is a motorcycle in Ca. also. It has a Variator for gears, you don't change them it is automatic, they work well. The brakes work well and I hear the ride is good also, it has front and rear suspension. That is a good price and I think it would proabably last for a good many miles, I just struggle with the looks. It is OK, its just not an Ambassador. Have fun Dave

    PS: It sounds like it needs the Ignition moved, the add says it goes 40. The NE5 goes 40 with the mod, and it has no Variator. It is a one speed.
  12. sk8erpunk

    sk8erpunk Member

    yeah, the suspension is what gets me. it looks so much more comfortable with that support back there. honestly, I think it looks bad ***! I love how it looks (minus the streamers). my concern with it would be accelerating from a cold stop. when I am on a small hill, I always use my pedals to assist my engine in taking off. I can't imagine not having that ability.

    I think Q did a long run down when he got his Ambassador. It's on here, just do a search to find it.

    as far as it being classified as a motorcycle or a moped in CA: the only real difference would be the registration fees. the dmv (license) requirements would be the same (my understanding is that they no longer give you a M2 classification ... it is just a motorcycle endorsement, even if you show up to do your skills test on your moped). cops hassling you because it is not technically a moped ... that may also be an issue (they seem somewhat lenient around here with mopeds).
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2008
  13. Egor

    Egor Guest

    I want the streamers! The one on Ebay has a type of Salisbury drive so it has an endless gearbox, something like the new Mini Cooper only less expensive. LOL. There was a guy that got a new Ambassador a wile back, I don't know if his had one, he never said. He was raving about the brakes and how good they were. So I think if the gears are done correct and I have to believe they are. It should pull from a stop as good as an old Cushman and they would fly. Have fun, Dave
  14. Quenton Guenther

    Quenton Guenther Motored Bikes Sponsor

    Hi everyone, I haven't tested the new version of the Ambassador. I did stop riding my early edition Ambassador at 1500 miles, it is sitting in the corner of my stock room with a dead battery. The ride is much smoother than the NE5, but the bike is very, very heavy and has a difficult time in traffic. The rear springs are so stiff that myself and 2 other people couldn't make them move [guess they are only for looks]. In stock form the motor doesn't have enough power to propel the bike past 40, in fact if the rider is over 200 pounds it might not even make it to 40 MPH. Just before I parked it I installed a modified cylinder and a Westman high compression head, but the heavy bike still had problems reaching 50 MPH, and I only weigh about 165 lbs. The brakes are really good, but mine required a complete rear caliper assembly, and new pads on the front [the cable pulls the assembly to one side and causes the shoes to wear at an angle] to keep them working correctly. Whizzer did exchange the new 1.7 gallon tank for the original 1.2 gallon version when the tank split open at the rear and spilled gasoline on me, but because of the tilt the new tank only holds a little over 1 gallon. I saw the ads claiming 90 MPG [some even said 120 MPG], but mine never exceeded 60 MPG, and like the Harley Sportster you must stop for gasoline every 50 to 60 miles. As far as liking the steamers , I didn't, but they broke off anyway, so it wasn't really an issue. There is no way the Ambassador will pull away from a stop as good as an average vintage Cushman.
    The version I have is the early model with the automatic clutch, but it is now using the 3rd version to make it move forward, the first had a cracked hub, and slipped so bad it wouldn't move at all, the second was the replacement, and the 3rd and current version is one of my modified units, and does work well.
    I don't think they are legal in CA yet [carb approval]
    If anyone purchased the new version, sure would like to see an article about it.

    Have fun,
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2008
  15. Egor

    Egor Guest

    I wonder if we could get the guy with them on Ebay to remove the cover over the Salisbury drive so we could see how it looks. Or ask Whizzer to put a pic or explain how well it works. The fact that they are on sale for the reduced amount to me is a sign of distress. I wonder if the company is going to survive. Have fun, Dave
  16. Egor

    Egor Guest

    Quenton Sorry to hear that the bike is not what is seemed to be. I guess the flowers are off the rose. I have a hard time figuring out how a company can get along trying out there ideas on there customers. I guess the model you have is one of the early versions. I remember making a comment that I thought they should have reproduced the two speed outfit. That would have been good for us also, as we could install them on the NE5's. I hope they get there ducks in a row, or the future is seems bleak. Have fun, Dave
  17. graucho

    graucho Active Member

    Thanks Quenton great info.
    I like the overall look of the Ambassador. Not having peddals turned me off. Probably many other people also. Hense, chop the price to move them.
  18. sk8erpunk

    sk8erpunk Member

    I don't know, if it was available in California and there was a place for me to test one out, I am crazy enough to buy one.
  19. InfoCentral

    InfoCentral Member

    Talked to a dealer here in California and said the Ambassador doesn't pass the smog requirements so they can't sell them here. Noticed the reduced price on the Whizzer web site with the statement "not for sale in California."
  20. InfoCentral

    InfoCentral Member

    That is definitely what turned me off. It looked totally moped. Which isn't a bad thing if that is what your in the market for. Heck, I am currently getting my Honda moped back up and running after taking a 20 year sit in my fathers tool shed. An old girl friend gave it to me when she upgraded to a scooter. It has only 215 original miles on it but finding the service manual has eluded me. I was able to obtain a owner's manual and had to special order the battery but it was available even though the guy at the Honda shop said don't hold your breath on it.

    I am hoping that the new 2009 NE model will be much better than the past models.

    HELP: If anyone knows of where I can pick up a Service Manual for a 83' Honda PA50 II, please let me know! Thanks...