Whizzer with 1200 miles. Afraid to ride it

Discussion in 'Whizzer Motorized Bicycles' started by dakota_in_the_sky, Dec 31, 2014.

  1. dakota_in_the_sky

    dakota_in_the_sky New Member

    Hello All,

    I've had a lot of fun reading through the threads.

    I recently bought a 1999 WC-1 24" blue Whizzer. With what I've read, it's overdue for a melt down. It has 1200 miles. I bought it from the original owner. He rode it on camping trips and I'm guessing it was babied.

    I've already ridden it 40 fun miles. Now, after reading about the seat problem at 400-600 miles, I'm afraid to ride it. I've sent an email to Quenton about a rebuild, but no luck. I imagine he's busy with the holidays and the Clutch project.

    Will I risk destroying the motor if I keep riding, or should I park it until Quenton is ready to work on the motor?

    Thanks - Rob
     

  2. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    I think I'd ride if I were you. From what I can gather the last generation of Whizzers were, maybe, a bit under-engineered. Perhaps of lesser quality than we'd hope.

    But I don't suppose they can be so bad that you can't ride them.

    Ride gently, I suppose. And take good care of it.

    I'll bet you can improve it at your leisure.

    On the other hand, I'm no expert. If someone like Quenton disagrees, then I'd listen to him.
     
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  3. jbcruisin

    jbcruisin Member

    Just ride it. It will run okay until the valve seats come loose. But then the motor just misses. I have a 99 & when I first got it ran good until I took out the baffle & intake restricter. it ran great for about 50 miles & then died.
     
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  4. mason_man

    mason_man Active Member

    I'd keep doing what the original owner was doing, and keep riding it until your more familiar with the bike.
    Can you post pics of the bike? Does the tank have a decal that says whizzer?


    Ray
     
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  5. mason_man

    mason_man Active Member

    Does the tank look like this? Color too?
    Might be a 2000 yr. model.

    Ray
     

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  6. koolwhizzer

    koolwhizzer Motored Bikes Sponsor

    Hi. Just ride it. I purchased a new 1999 whizzer off Lincoln Land in Jacksonville ILLinois in 2000. I currently have 3600 miles on it and it still runs perfect. I removed the intake restrictor advanced the timing and removed a hose and plugged it from the air cleaner. I believe I rejetted but can not remember the size I used. I set the carb slide to the middle position. I think that's it. Runs and idles as good as it gets. I believe some people run these motorbikes hard and they were not made for that type of abuse. I know quite a lot of people that never had problems with the seats. If you over rev, let idle as to were the engine temps runs way hot you will have problems. I let idle long enough to get on my way and ride as if I was on a bicycle and not a pocket rocket and hope it still holds up for yet another riding year for me. The saying goes don't fix what aint broke. Good luck
     
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  7. mason_man

    mason_man Active Member

    Al,are you still running it with the original muffler?
    How about the gas, unleaded?
    Oil?

    Thanks,
    Ray
     
  8. lillback44

    lillback44 Member

    Rob, I had Quenton do the valve seat fix on my 1999 Wc1. My bike had over 1600 miles on it. As it turned out, it was a carb problem, but I had him do the work anyway. Although the valve seat problems are for real, I think it's a tad exaggerated. Quenton did say it's better to catch the problem sooner than later, but I'd ride the thing till I was ready to send it to him.
    Chris
     
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  9. koolwhizzer

    koolwhizzer Motored Bikes Sponsor

    Hi Ray. I run a modified exhaust baffle that I used since day one. The length been shortened nearly in half with the packing completely removed. I then drilled three more holes in the rear of the exhaust flange. I get great performance with a real cool sound. I use regular unleaded gas with straight 40w oil. I broke the engine in with 20w50 synthetic oil that Dave at whizzer recommended back in early 2000. We came to find out that using the synthetic oil in these types of motor created the motors to blow out a lot of oil at higher rpms. It took awhile with plenty of oil changes to turn back the engine with use of straight 40w oil to not blow it out of the breather by the buckets. I bought a second WC1 and used straight 40w oil since the beginning and never had a oil problem? This is my experiences. I know the major component to these motors having all these types of issues is mainly caused by the way people operate them. If you let them idle never over revving, not letting them sit for long period of time running and don't run them wide open. You will probably experience fewer problems. A buddy of mine has one exactly like mine and he abused it and had head gasket leaks, valve seat problems, oil blowing all over his rear wheel etc. Take that for what it worth. I knew Quenton ever since I got in this hobby in the late 90s and he has been extremely beneficial helping others with minor to major problems and he helped develop these motors to be very reliable. I tell people they are what they are bicycles with motors with a lot of us thinking we are 13 years old but are 50 to 80 year old men having fun bringing back the good old days. Good luck and better get them whizers running spring is around the corner.
     
  10. mason_man

    mason_man Active Member

    There's nothing wrong with the WC-1's , modified or not.
    You just have to control the temperature. Anyone of the oils are good, so long as they have the proper amounts of lubricant .

    How do you control the heat? Through heat coating.

    Ray
     

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  11. mason_man

    mason_man Active Member

    More pics. .....
     

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  12. mason_man

    mason_man Active Member

    And more pics. ...
    Let's see some pics of your 99, Al

    Ray
     

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  13. koolwhizzer

    koolwhizzer Motored Bikes Sponsor

    Hi ray,
    Your right there is nothing wrong with the WC1's in my opinion as well. I control temperatures of the motor by using high temp black paint on the cylinder ( everyone says if you have the jug off it would not be a bad idea to paint the cylinder so I did ) and always keep the oil clean. I change mine every 150 to 200 miles and keep the level proper. I put in the required amount on the first oil change and then see were the level is and scribe a new mark so I know its valid on the dip stick. And most important don't idle for long periods of time and don't run at higher rpms. Mine seems to run its best on cooler days?
     
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  14. koolwhizzer

    koolwhizzer Motored Bikes Sponsor

    Hi Ray,
    Real nice pictures. I see you coated your head and cylinder? What did you use?
    Attached you will find my black 1999 whizzer that went through a lot of changes right down to the chainguard. I laced up Schwinn double knurl S-2s to the stock coaster brake and drum brake. It now sports a NE5 that runs rather well, its my rider and is plated for the roads. The blue whizzer is another I have and it only had a few modifications. The Red 1950 Schwinn WZ sports the stock WC1 motor from my 1999. It is a WC1 that I talked about earlier. This is a great whizzer its old school bike with new generation whizzer motor. As you see I used the vintage cast iron exhaust manifold with flex pipe. I also used the vintage belt cover fabricating a transition plate in order to mount it. Hope you enjoy looking at them.
     

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  15. mason_man

    mason_man Active Member

    NICE, very nice!
    Al, paint has no value (properties ) I have a NE-R with head and cylinder painted black and is already cracking. Paint is 1000 degree high gloss engine paint. See pics.
    Best to use IVD, Ion Vapor Deposition. It's 99.9% pure aluminum vaporized and applied to your parts in a vacuum chamber. This process is one of the best thermal dispersant available. http://thermalcoatng.com/thermal-dispersant-coating/
    More info here.
     

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  16. dakota_in_the_sky

    dakota_in_the_sky New Member

    Thank you for all your responses!


    Here are some photos. Not as pretty as others in this thread, but I love it just the same:
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  17. dakota_in_the_sky

    dakota_in_the_sky New Member

    Hi Al,

    This is helpful as well. I noticed a lot of oil coming out of the tubes when parked. I'll switch to the regular oil. I think the previous owner said he used synthetic.

    The next step will be to make one of Quenton's breather units and paint the motor cylinder black. I'll wait for the rebuild when Quenton has time for it in the future.

    Again thank you for the replies to all of you - Rob

     
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    mason_man Active Member

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