Who's MORE fascist? Bush or Obama?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by sparky, Sep 5, 2009.

  1. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    OK... so I was criticized (rightfully so) for repeatedly bringing up in another thread the FACT that Bush is MORE fascist than Obama, even tho I didn't make the initial claim of comparison. I've got numbers to prove it...

    http://money.cnn.com/news/storysupplement/economy/bailouttracker/ --
    I had cited this one before, but it doesn't separate the Bush bailouts from Obama bailouts

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0429/p19s01-usgn.html --
    This one actually lists the dates, and you'll see that the bailout packages could be separated like this...

    King Bush ------- $ 9.405 Trillion
    King Obama ---- $ 1.875 Trillion
    Total ------------ $11.280 Trillion

    As usual, I'll go ahead and point out the objective observation, that that this article only provides bailout information up to the end of April, so it's missing a few months... but even still, Obama has a LONG way to go to catch up to Bush's "accomplishments". Giving $10 trillion of the people's money to businesses, the God-awful Patriot Act, starting unconstitutional wars, and stating such aggressive comments as "I am the decider!" among other comments about the Constitution, which were more than likely true (considering actions speak louder than words)... puts Bush on top, in my mind.

    What do you guys think?
     

  2. give me vtec

    give me vtec Active Member

    the difference between the two doesn't lie in the numbers.

    The difference between the two is that Bush didn't try to run the bank industry, Bush didn't try to run GM and Chrystler, Bush didn't try to tell people if they could or could not get health care, Bush is not involved with annenburg and bill ayers who are indoctrinating children into a radical belief system. Bush did not try to silence the opposition... in fact I think he was very tolerant of the "code pink" crowd, never heard him say anything bad about the mass hatred towards him.

    The definition of fascism from the Merriam-Webster dictionary... you tell me who fits this definition better?

    * Main Entry: fas·cism
    * Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
    * Function: noun
    * Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
    * Date: 1921

    1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality - J. W. Aldridge>

    - fas·cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized

    - fas·cis·tic \fa-ˈshis-tik also -ˈsis-\ adjective often capitalized

    - fas·cis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb often capitalized
     
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  3. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    Don't confuse Spanky with facts like that. I really don't even bother much trying to have a serious discussion with him, as it is totally pointless.
     
  4. Turtle Tedd

    Turtle Tedd Member

    Arceeguy..I think the only reason any of us read sparky posts at all is to see your response ...as for myself I am getting pretty tired of reading his s h i t
     
  5. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Did you mean to say "serious discussion"? That may explain your failure to connect with sparky, you need to engage only in "serious delusions" with sparky.
     
  6. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    Nobody cares to answer the question with serious discussion...

    How has Obama been MORE fascist than Bush?

    P.S - vtec, If you could go ahead and post up the definitions for communist, socialist, neoliberal, classic liberal, neoconservative, classic conservative, leftist, rightist (?? right-wing extremist), centrist, general extremist, libertarian, libertarian-socialist, etc... that would be awesome. I've been trying to get RC to get these definitions out of the way, so that we'll know how to use them properly.


    Here are the definitions of fascism I find:

    Whew... That took a lot. Sounds a lot MORE like Bush & Cons than Obama & Libs to me, but I think it's safe to agree that all U.S. politicians are fascist. Sounds more like RC than anything. I guess whenever he says something to me, it will be completely acceptable to refer to him as a fascist and point to this Wikipedia article. :rolleyes7:
     
  7. sparky

    sparky Active Member

  8. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    Stolen from Reddit...

     
  9. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    This deserves its own thread, but what the heck...

    Also stolen from Reddit...

     
  10. give me vtec

    give me vtec Active Member

    spanky The fact that you just cut and paste everything shows you have no education... you are only supposed to cut and paste for direct quotes, definitions, statistics, etc.

    You are not supposed to cut and paste the whole argument... it gives you no credibility. Until you can read something, assimilate the content, and then summarize with your opinion and cites where necessary... you are just plagiarizing. nobody cares that you post ***** it up with all the crazy lib tank bull... It doesn't mean anything... cant you think for yourself?

    I did answer your question... Obama is, by definition of his actions and beliefs a FASCIST. Bush was not completely centrist, but he was nowhere near where Obama lies on the spectrum. If Bush stunk... Obama is rancid and putrefied. Obama is doing what Bush did... only at warp speed.

    I guess I cant expect much from an idiot in training.
     
  11. give me vtec

    give me vtec Active Member

    censored word is

    W H O R E
     
  12. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    You ignored my question once again... it was and still is... "Who's MORE fascist? Bush or Obama?" One might be more rancid, but is one more fascist... and why do you make such claims?

    I copy & paste things because these things are simply left better the way they are.

    I'd like to see you use this same tactic on the "world's most intellectual man", Chomsky... he'd just cite someone else calling you a dumba$$ to prove that you're a dumba$$. But seriously... that's the method of one of the most obviously brilliant people. He has his own opinion, but what good is that?? He'd rather show you where he formulates his opinion from thru historical accounts. The majority of you cannot even formulate an opinion, because you don't even know what the words you're using actually mean.

    What is a fascist? Who's more fascist outta Bush, Obama? WHY do you believe so that to be so?

    I'm the only one who's answered the question properly.

    I also love how I bring up a topic and then ask "What do you guys think?"... and then the discussion continues in a manner such as this one. It always takes a minute for you guys to discuss the topic for some reason... is it because you don't think?
     
  13. give me vtec

    give me vtec Active Member

    that was my answer... idiot.

    What exactly did Bush do that was so Fascist... I listed what Obama has done so far. Other than the patriot act, cant think of another thing Bush did that was even remotely fascist.

    You tell me, in your own words (not cut and pasted liberal website ****), what Bush did that was so fascist.
     
  14. give me vtec

    give me vtec Active Member

    are you one of those people that don't have very good reading comprehension skills? Do I have to spoon feed you my answers in condensed bullet form?
     
  15. give me vtec

    give me vtec Active Member

    other than the war...
     
  16. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    other than giving MORE than 3 times as much money to the corporatocracy as Obama has...

    other than stating things like "I am the decider!"... jokes about how he'd be great at being a dictator... and more than likely saying that "The Constitution is just a goddammed piece of paper."

    other than suppressing criticism & opposition to the war ( think back to 2003, 2004; not 2005-09)...

    other than feeding the propaganda machine lies (Bin Laden tape, WMD lies, WTC 7 lies, etc.)...

    That's pretty serious stuff and only a fraction of the atrocities of the Bush years. I only bring this thread up, because somebody else made the claim. And I wondered what it was based on. "Deciding who has health care or not" seems pretty fascist to me, and Obama's not deciding who has health care or not, so that's strike 1 to you for lying.
     
  17. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    other than throwing habeas corpus out the door...

    other than creating a super-secret shadow government...

    other than centralizing agencies that didn't need centralizing... Homeland Security/FEMA and CIA...

    other than... you try one! I know there's more.
     
  18. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    A good start would be to check out some of Bush's Executive Orders...
     
  19. give me vtec

    give me vtec Active Member

    Obama is not just giving money to these companies... he is actually trying to run them, Bush never fired the CEO of a privately held corporation, there is a HUGE difference.

    Show me the video or some other real evidence that bush joked about being a dictator... other than some libtard said it on some libtank site. Even if he did Obama is actually acting like a dictator... a HUGE difference.

    How did he, in any way, try to suppress opposition to the war? If he did he sure didn't do a good job. Show me evidence that he tried to suppress anything...

    You want to talk about propaganda machine??? Obama is a propaganda machine... he has been on TV, the internet, news channels, posters, ipods, schools, t-shirts, the cover of time, and everything else trying to promote his god-like image. They make commercials demonizing American citizens that oppose them. Have you ever studied actual propaganda... propaganda doesn't come from the opposition like world trade conspiracies. Propaganda comes from the people trying to convince you of something. Even Bill Clinton condemned the 911 conspiracies.

    If you think the Obama bureaucracy isn't trying to decide who gets health care and who doesn't, you are very naive. The difference between Bush and Obama will be blatantly obvious to even the most un-educated amongst us

    The problem with you spanky is that you have no business experience, no appreciable education, or anything else that informs you of how the real world works. You think you know what you are talking about because you get all excited about scandalous stuff like how much of a monster Bush is... then you read as much libtank c r a p as you can thinking you are educating yourself on something. When in reality you are just exposing yourself to propaganda. Who is to say that what you are reading is accurate? You read and believe things that are un-provable.

    You will probably wonder to yourself what makes me such an authority right? well I am not claiming to be an authority on anything, what I do have is a business education and real world experience, (I moved out at 18). I have taken a ton of political science, economic, multinational business finance, accounting, investment management, and history classes (245 units worth to be exact).

    You don't know what you are talking about... you take what you read on some libtank c r a p site or youtube vid and regurgitate it back to us unfiltered (often cut and pasted because you cant even regurgitate correctly).

    I take what I hear... and compare it to what I know about history and how the world works, socially and economically, and make my own opinion about weather or not the information is correct or accurate. It is called critical thinking and it seems to be something most libs lack... It is something you acquire with higher education.

    Can't expect much from you.
     
  20. give me vtec

    give me vtec Active Member

    I know that most democrat politicians come from prestigious universities with very expensive educations. The people that vote democrat however are not usually very educated and have no ability to really think for themselves in any appreciable way... which is why they are susceptible to liberal lies.

    Libs actually believe the democrats are going to help us.
     
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