Why blame obama for bush's mistakes

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by plinko, May 29, 2010.

  1. plinko

    plinko Banned

    I am curious about all the hate obama Is receiving being bush,bush senior,and reagan done more damage to this country than obama could ever do.The man was left with a mess and 2 wars bush accomplished during his presidency.People whined about bush.Now we whine cuz obama has to fix the 8 years of damage bush did.Can't be fixed In one day.I personally think It's cuz he's a black man that people are against him. Be honest and state the truth about why obama Is so bad.BTW,I am not a repub or demo.And I don't vote.Just go with the flow of who the people elect then whine and cry about for the next 4 to 8 years while In office.
     

  2. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

    Have to totally agree with you plinko: being bush,bush senior,and reagan done more damage to this country than obama could ever do.

    I couldn't be more in agreement with your perfect assessment of the situation.

    Fabian
     
  3. kerf

    kerf Guest

    This is an ideologically political thread that should be in the CC or removed from the forum. I would be happy to respond to your question in the CC.
     
  4. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    In my view your question deserves no answer, plinko.

    Those who do not vote and refuse to participate in the political process in even that minimalist way are undeserving of response.
     
  5. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    Posing the question, in itself, could be considered "participating in the political process". I vote, and I totally agree with Plinko's assessment of the situation.
     
  6. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Gentlemen,

    This question may not be discussed in this forum, Tom has created a place for it and it needs to be deleted or take there.
     
  7. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

    Simple Simon,

    It doesn't matter which way you vote, the outcome has been prearranged by media manipulation, and "fixed" in the case of American elections.

    Fabian
     
  8. kerf

    kerf Guest

    I am a Tea Party activist and a Constitutional Originalist Conservative. I am not a Democrat or a Republican, as these parties are just organizations that have had their collective ideology determined by a relative few members. That ideology is always directed at acquiring political power, usually at the expense of principle. It wasn't always this way and it doesn't have to be this way now. The lack of deep and well informed involvement by the body politic in America, has allowed this corruption to take place and only by changing that fact may we, as Americans, correct this problem that threatens our Republic.

    To understand our Republic, one must begin at the beginning, the Founding and the documents written by our Founders. The greatest of these documents is the United States Constitution but to understand it, one must start with the main principle set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist Papers. The Declaration stated that:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident:
    That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world."

    The Federalist stated that a central government would be of "limited and enumerated powers" and that "all powers not reserved for the Federal Government, were reserved for the States". The Founders believed in two central principles, individual rights and limited central authority over the states. Both of these principles are under attack by politicians and their supporters that are Statist. Statist believe in the power of the state over the people and the economy, that rights are collective, not individual and that they emanate from government itself, and bigger more intrusive government is always better.

    Statism comes in several major brands, Progressivism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Nazism. All of these forms of governance are diametrically opposed to the Founding principles of this country.

    While it is very true that I did not vote for President Obama and I do not support most of his agenda, I don't hate him. The fact that he happens to be black and a Democrat has no bearing on my opinion of him. I call him "The MarxoFascist Obama" because I see elements of Marxism and Fascism in the policies that he has chosen to enact. I also dare say that the vast majority of my Tea Party associates feel exactly the same way. If you ever see a Swastika at a Tea Party, you will know it belongs to someone that's not part of the movement, as Nazism is Statist in nature and opposed to everything we stand for.

    I voted for George Bush and supported him to an extent. His support of America and his tax cuts were good but his spending, growth in government and immigration policies were Progressive. I was one of those that shut down the Capital Hill switch board on more than one occasion during the Bush administration.
     
  9. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

    kerf, slow down a bit.

    Anything over a three line response requires a degree of passion to not only finishing reading the reply but to have an opinion on the authors stance.

    After reading your reply, i'll make comment: this thread needs to go into the Combustion Chamber, for it will quickly decend into intellectualised argument, by those capable of long winded replies that eventually run their course; creating hot air arguments.

    Fabian
     
  10. eastwoodo4

    eastwoodo4 Member

    #7and#8 are great posts.i just wonder if #1 is actually sparky or someone?
     
  11. retromike3

    retromike3 Member

    why hate bush when he is in the same mold as Obama?

    Change? NO, continuation of all of the bush policies Yes, with a good voice and the ability to read a teli prompter convincingly. In fact he was brought into the white House and consulted before he took office. He was consulted on the T.A.R.P. fiasco.

    As far as I know we still have a huge base in Iraq with thousands of troops and Blackwater is still a major contractor. I think that are little prison in Cuba is still there or maybe I am mistaken?

    Now we are going full tilt into Afghanistan with just as much success as anybody else in the past thousand years. So now can we get to putting a little responsibility on a guy who has supposedly been our leader for almost two years? Or can we give him a pass because he was born a poor black child?

    mike
     
  12. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    Ask the British Army of Afghanistan, if you can.

    Over 16,000 tried to leave Afghanistan to return to Pakistan - one - ONE MAN survived.
     
  13. give me vtec

    give me vtec Active Member

    I have thought the same...
     
  14. plinko

    plinko Banned

    That's cool. In my view If the candidates that are running for office are both lame and unfit to run the country.I have the right and freedom to exercise my right of not to vote.And I do not by law have to vote.If someone runs for office I deem Is worth voting for. I will vote.And I deserve a response simply cuz I am a 4 year gulf war vet.Can you say the same?In my view I guess what I am trying to say Is I am not concerned whether you answer my question or not.Plenty of other people to speak up.Have a nice day simple simon
     
  15. Stan4d

    Stan4d Banned

    From a gulf war vet....
    2 things.
    1. Were you in the gulf war (time does not allow for four years) or the current war?
    2. Your service while honorable does not make you deserve any response. A true soldier/marine would have stated his case and moved on. They would never question the rights of others to question them, nor would they try to hide behind their service to protect them from the repercussions of expressing their views. It is also the highest disrespect to question the service of others. How many civilianns supported you through their work? Do you deem them below you?
    Your service has not ended. Your duty has, but tell me...did the oath you took when you enlisted have an expiration date on it?
     
  16. Stan4d

    Stan4d Banned

    And just not to be lopsided.....does one lose their citizenship if they do not vote? Yes they are not fully participating in the process, but that too is a choice. A non vote is still a vote.
    I think that they do have the right to question the establishment. I always have. But to belittle someone into voting is wrong. I would rather that all uninformed and undecided stay home on election day.
     
  17. plinko

    plinko Banned

    I did desert storm for 2 years out of my entire enlistment.And I guess you have a very good point.I do not deem citizens below me though.I just feel like I did my time and for someone to question my views on voting or not should ask me why I did not vote.I felt like In the last 8 years no one who was running for office was worth voting for.I been Independent since clinton left office.Say what you will about his playboy lifestyle.He did keep jobs and food on America's soil.I will say maybe I was harsh on simple simon and I apologize for my response to him.But,I do not deserve to not have an opinion or answer cuz I did not vote the last 10 years.I will vote when I feel like there Is a good candidate who will bring this country back on track.And I feel like last 10 years no president has been worth voting for.I hope that one day There will be a good president to lead this country again.Repub,Demo,Indy,I don't care.Just someone who Is not trying to force unsound laws,restrictions,and socialistic/media views down our throat.I will state this and drop this thread.I was turned down for a job a few months back because I had tattoo's.Person competing against me was an Illegal.Yet I had to take a backseat.Just one reason I quit voting.I respect what you said and I will work on my manners and try to be a little more tactful of my choice of words though stan4rd.Have a nice day.
     
  18. plinko

    plinko Banned

    And stan4rd.I will state this.Day I got out of the service and the reserve status passed In 4 years after retiring from service.Along with what this country has become and how society Itself has turned on each other.Then with regret.Yes,My oath did have an end date on It.I am now a civilian.Not a former service member.I will ask this post be deleted or moved to the combustion chamber.And I will not make any more responses to this thread I should have never started In the first place.This thread Is dead far as I am concerned.
     
  19. plinko

    plinko Banned

    Please delete this thread or move It to the combustion chamber please.
     
  20. Stan4d

    Stan4d Banned

    I found this thread in the CC..Or there would have been enough infractions to bann everyone who posted....No editing in the CC, SORRY.The Gulf war..Desert Shield/Desert storm lasted less than a year.
    Thank you for your service......
     
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