Making and Burning Ethanol

back to the topic, unless your engine is made for it, i was told, that ethanol or"flex fuel" as gm cals it, it will ruin the seals, and render your engine useless. mabey its just exagerating a bit, i dunno, but before using it, with a non approved engine, i would check this out 1st......
 
back to the topic, unless your engine is made for it, i was told, that ethanol or"flex fuel" as gm cals it, it will ruin the seals, and render your engine useless. mabey its just exagerating a bit, i dunno, but before using it, with a non approved engine, i would check this out 1st......

Alterations would be needed, I believe.

Jim H., the exact date is Dec. 21, 2012. Big night for parties.
 
We've already discussed the environmental aspect & impacts of alternative sources of energy.

We all know that converting one thing to another, like tar sands to oil, coal to oil, & corn to ethanol... you're going to lose/waste a lot of non-renewable energy in the process, because nothing is 100% efficient in reality. We all know what the terms non-renewable & renewable mean, right? Oil and coal will run out one day, so we are prolly gonna go thru a few different transition periods to reach completely renewable energy. Also, it'd be very hard to imagine a society that completely got around using the versatile oil, which is used to make oil, car fuel, jet fuel, deisel for semi-trucks that carry food inside cities that haven't much land at all for growing their own food, heating oils, roofing shingles, plastics, etc. It's tough to say that oil isn't the most important resource for a prosperous nation.

The easiest way to conserve the oil we'll never be able to reproduce (at least not without wasting more oil & perhaps coal too) is to cut the automobile consumption. We already know the answer to this problem, fellas!! We all need to ride bikes, whether they be powered by 4-stroke engines, electric motors, or our feet. If you're using a gas-powered engine, you're gonna cut your oil consumption down to a small percentage of what you used in your car. If you're plugged into a grid, you're gonna save even more oil than with a gas-powered engine. If you pedal, your body becomes more efficient at breaking down food, so not only would you use no oil (other than a few squirts of wd-40), but you'd also need less food to be carried into your city by a diesel truck!!

It seems like juicing up the electrical grid with electric bikes would help conserve oil a tremendous amount while getting us places without breaking a sweat. Sure we're burning coal, but we've got a ton of that. We could try encouraging companies to ship products/food by train more often. Coal is the answer to realistically conserving oil before prices get too far outta hand.
 
that is interesting about the Water..

I was told that it takes 130 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of Ethanol. Is that true? I heard it was a lot of water to be sure.. and the price of Corn, rice, ect to produce non fermented Alcohol .. Wow !!! This is crazy !! I am sure that the USA will find or discover an awesome substitute alternative to oil.. Maybe in the next 10 years or so. But for now, it is oil. Oil is organic you know... Purely organic. Comes from dead stuff. At any rate, ethanol is causing more problems and expense and will only get worse. for now.. Oil is our friend..and not the enemy..Enjoy the ride...
 
We would be making a big mistake to reject ethanol as a fuel for the future based upon the particulars of how it produced today. Corn is not the only source for ethanol, and by far not the most efficient one. Switchgrass and other celluosic sources come to mind.

Think- who wants ethanol to not be a viable energy source? Figure that out and then consider who funded the studies usually cited for ethanol's shortcomings.

Is ethanol a magic bullet? No, but it is renewable and domestic- good things.

We have not even come close to maximizing the efficiencies of the ethanol economy.
 

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On last nights local CBS, why we have to fight upping the gasohol ratios.

That the testing showed no consistency in the blending is another reason fuel might be the source of performance issues in our small engines.

Ethanol and Boats

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In 2006 Alabama gas stations began including ethanol in the blend. While most people haven't noticed much of an impact in their cars, the ethanol has played a factor in breakdowns of smaller engines.

In March we showed you how lawn equipment has been affected, but as it turns out outboard motors on boats are also suffering when the ethanol levels are too high. Airport Marine in Calera has been charting the increase in breakdowns over the last few years, and mechanic Tim Skelton says it's something every boat owner needs to be aware of.

"It can be as major as causing a total engine failure. That is a rarity, it can happen, normally you just notice running issues that happen due to just the trash that has been cleaned out of the fuel system because of the alcohol," said Skelton.

That trash comes from a breakdown in hoses and filters within your engine.

"Ethanol will penetrate some rubber. And what has happened here, the consistency of this rubber has changed, and it's just eaten away and it's actually eaten a hole through this hose," said Skelton.

Skelton agrees with small engine mechanic Joe Brocato who says the best way to prevent ethanol related engine problems is to buy gas with as little ethanol as possible.

"For us, 10% is the maximum we'd like to see. Anything above 10%, you really start to have problems," said Brocato.

When we tested our fuel blends in March we found all of our samples fell below that 10%.

A new test of the summer blends also finds that the major gas stations remain below the 10%, and even our discount gas stations are keeping the ethanol levels within the recommended guidelines.

That tells us there's more at play when it comes to engine failure than ethanol alone.

We did our ethanol test on a sample of fuel pulled from a boat that had broken down on the water and found it only had 3% of ethanol in the sample. But the real problem is the sludge that's at the bottom of the sample. This is something that is common that mechanics are finding today.

"Because of the cleaning agent that alcohol is, it's created a lot of issues in outboard engines."

Skelton says those issues stem from ethanol stripping away the crud that coats the inside of fuel storage tanks. When that comes loose it gets into the fuel mix. And sludge in the tank is never a good thing, which is why you may want to think twice before buying you gas at the dock.

"You have to be very careful where you buy gas. You want to buy gas from a place that sells a lot of gas, has a lot of turnover."

And our expert also says you should never let fuel sit for more than a month without adding a fuel stabilizer.
 
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Dax,

Theory, I could make 1 gallon of nearly pure ethonal out of 10 gallons of water and maybe less depending upon the strain of yeast or bacteria I use to ferment the wort and it's tollerance to the alcohol it makes. Eventually the bacteria will die in the liquid because the alcohol will kill it as % rises!

The answer is in electricity, more importantly, how we generate it. There are alot of flowing rivers that have yet to be tapped with generators. Go stick your feet up to your ankles in the Niagara gorge. It'll rip you in! Our Ivy Lea Graduates running this Country support Globalization rather than our Liberty's because they make more money like that!

It's the simple truth, we need them all voted OUT,because they are full of :poop:
 
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