Exhaust Exhaust Port- Muffler-Gasket

Thanks forumites,

BSA, that's the type of answer I was looking for, very good lead.

Researched:
Researched using Google and I came up with heaps of other answers and more leads using the word Coanda
However, Sparky's answers DOES have merit, the Chinese are probbaly trying to perfect the Coanda effect to, or they have and won't tell, or they are giving us all a clue to lead us to something else.

Some of the graphics show a basic explanation of air flow and Coanda Effect principles.
See Exhibit A.
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Then it gets rather interesting, it goes to magnets !
The Coanda effect in principle using magnets, an untested theory so far showing magnets moving a rotor !
Hmmm,
See Exhibit B.
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Other exhibits show flying saucer experiments using Coanda Air Flow.
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Another interesting find is here:More to the point, but not the actual answer, I think.
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4899698-description.html
In particular where it where it say's
The present invention relates to measures stemming from the above-mentioned study and from the Applicant's earlier patent, so as to delay the flow of mixture in the combustion chamber relative to the flow of the air contained in said chamber, thereby tending to avoid loosing mixture via the exhaust. The cavity constitutes a retention space because it reflects the air flow thereby setting up a flow in the opposite direction to the flow of mixture inside the cavity, thereby momentarily stopping said mixture flow at the top of the chamber.

Research is now ongoing...,
1.To modify Standard HT Exhaust Gasket and Muffler pipe to match engine's Exhaust Port ( as exported from China) or not to modify ???
As Kidd sugested, an Adaptor Plate.
Has anyone one gone and made a adaptor plate, did it make much difference ?

2. Why did they change from what's used in China to what's exported to everywhere else ? ( who cares really, we fix them anyway.)

3. Is this the basis for a ongoing "who dunnit conspiracy theory" on the HT Exhaust Muffler and Gasket Mismatch ?

To be Continued...! ( if time permits)
 

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Good luck finding any difference thru the exhaust with modified aftermarket gasket. Even an adapter plate won't create better flow from what you've already got. There's not much else to say on the matter.
 
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So the exhaust port on the HT is square? BUt the exhaust header is round? or is it the other way around?
 
KiDD
I am doing another build, my second build infact and taking my time to question things as I go.

A brand new kit, when opened the exhaust gasket is already held on the engines exhaust port, with the bolts and washers finger tight.
Thats how it's packed.

The centre hole of that gasket is round, the outlet of the engine's exhaust port is rectangle.
Also, the centre hole of the gasket partly covers the port because it's smaller than the rectangle.
So a build up of muck is obviously going to occur and some restriction.

Whats strange though, the muffler's flange where the gasket tightens on is a perfect match, round.
This is not a obvious mistake by the manufacturers, is it ?

Like I have said on the first post of this thread, I took the engine and the muffler to a engine reconditioner yesterday to ask for an opinion and he said of all his 30 years expirience of re-building eingines, he does not recal odd shaped exhaust ports and muffler flanges on 2 strokes. They all suppose to match.
 
KiDD... The centre hole of that gasket is round, the outlet of the engine's exhaust port is rectangle.
Also, the centre hole of the gasket partly covers the port because it's smaller than the rectangle.
So a build up of muck is obviously going to occur and some restriction.
I promise that that excess gasket on the inside will be burnt off from the hot exhaust gases... so there will be no mucky buildup or restriction.
 
So the exhaust port on the HT is square? BUt the exhaust header is round? or is it the other way around?

Yep exhaust port on engine is a rectangle, that way as the piston moves down the gasses are exiting at an equal rate, but then the exhaust pipes header is a circle to fit the pipe, and the gaskets are obviously designed for the pipe. I dont think this is designed this way, my best bet is it is more economical and cost effective for the original manufacturers in China to buy in the exhaust pipes, perhaps there original use is for something else? I purchased my kit from china off of eBay and am quite friendly with the guy, his english not so good, he sent me a postcard though for chinese new year! I'll ask him why that is, maybe he has a better idea. I know that he does look at this forum though...

Fastboy
 
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