(No electrolysis) Gas/Hydrogen hybrid MB

SimpleSimon · Oct 1, 2008

Do you remember the Challenger disaster? That was an oxy-hydrogen explosion caused by a jet of flame from the SRB O-ring failure. Oxy/hydrogen is a VERY explosive mixture, and difficult to compress as a mixture.

Chain theory · Oct 1, 2008

SimpleSimon said:
Oxy/hydrogen is a VERY explosive mixture, and difficult to compress as a mixture.

This is true SimpleSimon.

Lye, water and Aluminum are a pretty compressed forms of potential energy and there is no oxygen in the mix until the pure hydrogen it gets to the intake. Oxy/hydrogen (Brown gas) is what electrolysis produces. Either one if these gases by themselves is less volatile.

bluegoatwoods · Oct 1, 2008

It sounds pretty cool. But if I understood right it would mean that aluminum is consumed. Would this get expensive?

Bigwheel · Oct 1, 2008

The storage answer is in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_storage

Chain theory · Oct 2, 2008

bluegoatwoods said:
It sounds pretty cool. But if I understood right it would mean that aluminum is consumed. Would this get expensive?

Its altered or oxidized. kind of like when a nail turns into a little pile of rust. If you put Aluminum nails in this reaction chamber Aluminum oxide would collect on the bottom. You can recycle it the same as an Aluminum can. Water is the actual fuel well the H2 part is. The (O)xygen is bound to the Aluminum (AlO2). Water is a naturally condensed form of Hydrogen. The Lye and Aluminum just help you set it free into your MB. Electrolysis is cool but we don't have enough electricity to run our lights let alone do that. The only juice required in this system is lye and water. As far as the expense goes, how much beer do you drink? cans? Do you have any scrap aluminum laying around, maybe you could put that old blown happy time to some good use after all.

machiasmort · Oct 2, 2008

You are correct. There is nowhere near enough power off of our magento to get a reaction.

Pure hydrogen is extreamely explosive and I do not recomend anybody play with it. DO NOT MIX AL with acid or lye. You are asking for trouble! Pure Hydrogen has been known to spontaneously combust. (for no reason at all) (highly unstable)

Browns gas from what I understand (DON"T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT) is much more stable. However I've heard of accidental explosions also. Inorder to get a reaction using electrolasis you have to have min. 4v and between 20-30amps. Amps are more important than voltage. A deep cycle or car battery would work great on a lugage rack. Again tho Acid!!!

I've put alot of thought behind this. I'm not sure what effects of water vapor and oil in a 2 stroke would be. Remember the 4 stroke has a tighter ring to keep stuff out of the crank case (from combustion). Our 2 strokes rely on our fuel oil combustion byproducts!

An explosion or backfire at the intake could make the girlies call you skeeterdink behind your back, the rest of your life!!! If they do already, YOU GOT NOTHING TO LOOSE!

I'm glad to see interest on here, about this. Anybody use achahol yet in HT? Interested to know how it worked! How about run an alternator off of a bare bike rim on a stand?

alternativefuel · Oct 2, 2008

machiasmort said:
I'm glad to see interest on here, about this. Anybody use achahol yet in HT? Interested to know how it worked! How about run an alternator off of a bare bike rim on a stand?

bluegoatwoods · Oct 2, 2008

I've though about the auto alternator on the fixed bicycle.

Never experimented, but I have the notion that a person might not be able to push hard enough against that alternator to generate any useful current.

Bigwheel · Oct 2, 2008

alternativefuel said:
Im glad your here.
Heres a few links to get your electrodes fizzin.

Yeah, just a few....thanks for sharing.

machiasmort · Oct 3, 2008

Blue

Might not have explained myself well enough. Put bike on stand (back wheel in air), wrap fan belt arround wheel to stationary mounted alternator. Use HT bike and wheel as means to turn alternator for power generation.

The Cop's in your area (next emergency) would sure be mad if they had cold milk to "drunk" thier doughnuts in. Especially if your HT ran thier refridgerator!!!

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