Australian legislation/regulations/ADRs

32kph though officer said 39.. nope was just running in my engine
he had done some work on subject and on calling traffic section they are using as as rough guide 30cc or under = 200 watts = around 27kph
Yeah - its pathetic.

That's what I hate about the current situation - it is real hit and miss. I've be lucky, partly because I've been able to use my bike as a pedal bicycle on bike paths and through build-up areas etc.

Anyway big question is, any ideas?
 
top speed of bike atm with full open throttle is 39kph..which I definately wasn't doing
I am in the process of complying with 200watt and getting dyno test printout to prove.
I'll also let my local MP know. I think that a speed limit of 30kph is all that is needed.Better that than no motor at all..which I think is their objective.
 
I have been in contact with RTA last year, and their project to review power-assisted bicycles in conjunction with Australian Bicycle Council definitely does not bicycles over 200 watts or 300 watts (tentatively proposed).

I believe that the only avenue open is regulation as a motor vehicle.
 
I'll also let my local MP know...
That's excellent. We can whinge until the cows come home, but at the end of the day, we've got to get political.

I conduction a brief petition at a Sustainable Living Expo in Hobart in November 2008 and got 80 signatures. A local scooter-riding MP took it to Tasmanian Parliament. The experience proved that that there actually is potentially alot of support for the idea of Light Motorized Bicycles.

I'll find the text of the petition and post it.
 
I don't think they want them as motor vehicles...too many inspections as each bike is different..I think they'll offer electric as consolation but ban petrol altogether..unless lobbying for speed limit throws a spanner in their works. I think I can make a bike that'll comply even if it performs extremely poorly .. it's a challenge .I'm bout to fill muffler with steel scrubbers modify carby and someone suggested a low pass filter..which may be the best idea yet (low pass filter on the CDI)
 
I conduction a brief petition at a Sustainable Living Expo in Hobart in November 2008 and got 80 signatures.
Here is the text:

Your petitioners pray that:
the Tasmanian Government instigate a review of transportation regulations that currently prohibits registration and use of motorized bicycles on a public street or a road-related area in Tasmania; and
the environmental, economic and sustainability merits of motorized bicycles may be such that this matter be given urgent consideration.

It strikes me that we could run an Australia-wide E-petition. I think the big problem would be getting enough people to know about it to sign it. If it was big enough, then it Could attract media attention.

At present the Motorized Bike community is too fragmented and transient, so it would be difficult to get the numbers and to agree to a legislative framework.
 
TransportSA passed me on to Australian standars office where the guy was quite hostile in opposition to MBs. In response to dyno test he said not acceptable as not measuring from engine..and that no petrol engine was capable of 200 watts .. I mentioned rotary .. and that there was no real other way of measuring output .. also mentioned scooters limited to 50kph and semi trailers to 100kph .. he jeered so what...you want us to let you ride down the street with a V8 strapped to your bike limited to 200 watts output ??
That is the type of mentality we face .. also people who have seen bikes do over 60kph
A more responsible image is necessary.
 
I don't think they want them as motor vehicles...too many inspections as each bike is different..
You see, the problem is that:
Cyclists are happy with bicycles
Motorcyclists are happy with motorcycles
Noone rides a legal Australian moped because they are a waste of space.

Every on-road vehicle, except for cycles must comply with an Australian motor vehicle Design Rule, or ADR. I think that there would be buckley's chance of creating a vehicle classification that did not have an ADR.

However, I don't see any reason why there could not be a numbers of ADRs for vehicles betwen bicycle and moped. For example, what about a power-assisted tricycle? A vehicle like that could be very important for an senior person looking sustainable transport.
 
My advice for defending use of motorised bikes is taking the well trodden path and showing their history .. then showing a modern bike that's economical,quieter,and somehow a way of showing speeds can be regulated. Not forgetting to add that ordinary pushbikes are designed to do the speeds they are doing (brakes tyres and safety helmet)
 
TransportSA passed me on to Australian standars office where the guy was quite hostile in opposition to MBs. ... he jeered so what...you want us to let you ride down the street with a V8 strapped to your bike limited to 200 watts output ??
You can't expect anyone in the regulatory side of things to tell you anything other than what the regulations say.

This is a political issue, but trying to find political friends is like trying to shake hands with an adversary holding a sword. However, I must say that I commend your persistence.

Tell me, do you think that you would like to have a long-term interest in motorized bikes, or do you think you'll move on - maybe to motorcycles?
 
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