Whizzer NE high compression heads....

Hi Bobco,

It is possible the late 07 may have the limited production head, but needs a lot of work to become a powerhouse. Does the motor have the aluminum intake spacer? I would suggest you PM me as soon as you get the motor apart, because I have several important modifications you should do right away. If you log many miles on the motor one of the upgrades may not help you. Can you share the current mileage on the 07?

This post isn't intended to "bash" anyone, any company, or any vendor.

Have fun,
 
Hi Quenton,

Actually I'm in the process of doing two bikes. One for my wife to cruise next me and then my thumper older Schwinn Cruiser that I converted with a newer NE motor kit. My Schwinn will get Zomby Builder's engine put on it once I get your hi-compression head. I want to have a bike that will run in the middle to the front of the pack on the organized rides at Portland, and have some reserve power for road racing. The '07 only has 100 miles on it. It has two phenolic spacers with a tan fiberglass or some other material between them with a 1/2" hole in the middle, no aluminum spacer. I'll pull the engine this weekend for more details...

Thanks! :D
 
Hi Bob,

I won't post why, but there are some really good things about your motor compaired to others. However there are a few things you should upgrade right away on your '07 motor. One of the upgrades you ordered from me today. When you remove the head, contact me and I will tell you which version you have. Don't forget the head on the motor from Zomby will be a good choice to keep when looking for additional power.

This post isn't intended to "bash" anyone, any company, or any vendor.

Have fun,
 
Hi Baverian,
I don't know the ratios, and have always used a compression guage. My rebuilt vintage motors tested at 100 ~ 102 pounds on the "H" & "J" motors and 112 ~115 pounds on the later "300" and up series. The compression ratio was 6.32 X 1 on the "H" & "J", and 6.75 X 1 on the later motors.

The piston stops short [is about 1/8" lower than the top of the cylinder]on the new generation motors, and the combustion chamber is much deeper and larger, therefore a common compression test yeilds number around 80 ~ 90 pounds. I have boosted the compression to 165 pounds on a test motor, but it was hard to start. I find the sweet spot on the new edition motors to be 120 ~ 125 pounds.

There was an OHV Whizzer at Dawson Springs, KY last year and I think Johnny [the owner] told me his compression ratio was around 20 X 1.

The latest Whizzer newsletter has an article about compression ratios, and if I find time, I will try to figure some of my motors ratios. I already know the CC volume of the head, and the CC volume of the cylinder, but will need to figure the volume of the area above the piston [between the top of the piston and the top edge of the cylinder]. to make it accurate.

Hope this answered your questions.

Have fun,
 
Compression

The early NE that is on my Screech really screams. Did you test it's comp. Q? How much should it be? I have never tested it. It looks just like Bobcos on the outside, but after seeing your collection I realize that they could be distant cousins. Which gauge would be most accurate? To measure that thing....

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Hi Zomby,
Here is the story on the different heads used on the NE motor.
The very early motors sported a head with same pattern used on the WC-1 motors, but had the island removed. Removing the island was originally a design used by "Weber" in the late 1940s, and increased the flow considerably. Sadly the early NE heads had a really deep chamber and a lot of deep tool marks where the island once resided. After a lot of work to smooth the chamber and mill .065" ~ .085" from the bottom, the head suddently became a serious contender. I am not sure of the reason, but Whizzer USA suddently re-designed the head and offered what I consider the "worst" combustion chamber design ever attached to a flat head motor in the last 100 years. Sadly the majority of the NE motors used this head, and I would guess approx. 90% of the heads were this version. I was able to re-work and mill this version to make it much better. This version of the head is easy to identify by looking at the intake valve pocket. I will include photos of both, and you can easily see the difference.
In the very last production NE motors a different combustion chamber design was employed [I could suggest where the idea came from, but why bother] and after a little TLC really upscaled the power output.
Now the facts, the early NE head [most likely the one you have] produced speeds in excess of 70 MPH on a dyno. The heads used on the late 2005 to mid 2007 had problems finding the 60 MPH speeds on the dyno, and the very last production heads once again bumped the 70 MPH numbers. All the heads I tested were milled & modified, but the early 2005 NE & the late 2007/early 2008 were powerful, and also very rare!

Most of the first edition heads when milled produced 120 to 125 pounds of compression. The midrange heads when milled & modified supplied an average of 110 pounds. And the rare final edition once again produced the 120 to 125 pounds of compression.

I use a "Craftsman" compression guage. I had to special order the adapter to fit the smaller 10 MM spark plug hole. It is important to open the throttle to wide open during the test.

These comments aren't meant to "bash" any company, person, persons, or vendor.

Have fun,
 

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There was an OHV Whizzer at Dawson Springs, KY last year and I think Johnny [the owner] told me his compression ratio was around 20 X 1.
THAT bike is unbelievable! I liked his Briggs V-2 Cushman as well...
I just couldn't believe his O.H.V. Whizz though! It's as bad @** as Kenny's DoubleWhiz... :)
Johnny was one of the nicest guys I've ever met as well. Something about M/B's eh? We should steal Honda's old slogan...;-)
Oh, Wait, this was about compression ratios... Sorry for that...
 
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