kits from from "luckyearlybird" on ebay...

But you are making it sound like if they are not a sponsor here they are no good.

Actually no, that's reading into it.
Consider it this way, sponsors here have their reps to live up to, have a stake in the game, and when they're tested if they don't pan out they hear about it.....plenty.
 
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If you want cheap, I'll sell you 2 young billy goats and 20 foot of rope to make a harness, less than $100 bucks.

It will locomote your bicycle, I guarantee that. Which direction and how smoothly are entirely up to the user.

But don't get a goat, get a dang stallion like some of the MBer's are talking about.

In the end, the whole industry needs to convert into a "sport", and to be a sport, there has to be gambling and odds and bookmakers and such.

Get running with the horses instead of grazing with the goats !!!
 
I got shafted on eBay for a non-bike related purchase. The guy was a real crook. The feedback thingy refused to allow me to make a negative feedback. Worst I could give was neutral feedback. After that, I decided the buyer feedback was next to worthless.

Now I look to see what the buyers type in to the feedback and hope for the best.
 
For me, it's about knowing where you can find the seller, either physically or virtually. Is he out there talking about his products? Is the seller an enthusiast in these things or is he selling these...and whatever else came out of the container? Has he actually built and ridden from his own product? I have heard too many people telling stories of not being able to contact the seller, not getting what they order, not getting any support. No thanks.

Are there sellers who are not sponsors here that would fit my requirements? Very likely yes....but how do you find them? How do you know? Here, you can get that information and background...and if the seller is active here, then, more than likely, they will be a sponsor.

So, does not being a sponsor at MBc make a seller untrustworty? Of course not, but it is tougher to check their background. If you have other means (besides eBay feedback given, in 99% of the time before the engine has even run) of checking the seller out- go for it. It will probably work out. Conversely, does being an MBc sponsor make a retailer 100% great, knowledgeable and honest? Nope, but if they are not...someone here will make it clear to the rest of us and the facts will be easy to find.

As for me, $10, $20, or even $50 or $80 is not worth the risk of dealing with an unknown. My time is worth much more and dealing with problems will easily eat up what you initially think are savings.
 
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Very nicely said HoughMade...

The only thing you have to protect you from buying from them on Ebay is using Paypal and opening a dispute is something goes wrong.

Personally I do not buy anything from Ebay unless they have a full 100% rating... but with that said, I think you will easily find more then a few sponsers here with kits at that same price and a ton of feedback here on the site to show you how reputable they are and the service they provide.
 
Just out of curiosity can you tell me any sponsors here that have the "80cc" kit for $125 with free shipping?

Very nicely said HoughMade...

The only thing you have to protect you from buying from them on Ebay is using Paypal and opening a dispute is something goes wrong.

Personally I do not buy anything from Ebay unless they have a full 100% rating... but with that said, I think you will easily find more then a few sponsers here with kits at that same price and a ton of feedback here on the site to show you how reputable they are and the service they provide.
 
Most consider a BARGAIN to be something acquired at a price advantageous to the buyer.

From what I've read here, not only is there no such thing as an "80 cc", there are 12 or more plants in China offering identical units of various quality.

Lowest price is just one factor.

"Fair price" is the agreement that is the best target, for the engine and the service that backs it up.

And again, from what I've read here, some sellers don't just bring in boxes and resell them un-opened, but replace the weaker parts or add modifications they've found reduce customer complaints.

None are out of the ball-park price gougers. That would not be "fair" either.

"Into the bargain" is their presence here, above and beyond the contract.
 
I have not dealt with them personnaly, but I would like to say this. Be carefule on eBay. I shopped extensively for a motor there. I still do just about everyday just to see what's on the market. If you shop long enough, you'll see that a lot of the sellers seem to have pretty much the same auction set up. Same 'ole cock and bull descriptions that aren't accurate, and the photos don't match the description. Some of the cheaper priced kits seem to be more interested in posting photos of a completed bike than they are what they're actually selling. I personally think some of the sellers on eBay are the same person with different user names. And why do they keep bidders identities a secret ?
I have contacted several sellers to find out actually what they'er selling. What's listed or what's showing in the photos. I always get the some 'ole song and dance about they haven't had time to update their auctions or web sites. I think 2 or 3 months is enough time for a respectful vendor to get their ducks in a row. Especially when they say customers tell them a lot about the photos and description don't match.
I bought a Grubee from a respectful dealer, but then again, what I received was what was in the written description, not the photos !
To make a long story short, I'm not saying don't buy from them. You might want to contact that seller and find out exactly what's in the kit. Is the kit as described in the written description, what's in the photos or a combination. I'm familiar with the vendor you posted. At least their auctions anyway. They're one of the ones I'd say are wishy washy ! Not bad mouthing them, just trying to help someone keep form being ripped off ! Do your home work and be careful !
 
As other have said, buyer beware...

Since I can't look at his IP address on EBay, I cannot say this for sure, but, this seller has all the earmarks of being a reincarnation of the seller formerly known as RevolutionCycles ... (take a look at our vendor ratings thread)

RevolutionCycles seems to keep at least two seller names active at once on EBay, and when EBay shuts down one of them, he keeps selling under the other name, then quietly opens another seller account...
 
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