2 stroke mixture torture test(outcome suprised me!!)

Try on a old engine how lean you can go ?? 50 or 60 to one ??

AGAIN. It depends on the oil. HT engine can run all day on SABER at 50:1. Probably would do fine at 80:1. This probably wouldn't be the wisest thing with some other oils. Yet SABER at 20:1 would be just too much oil. It might run, but it would be pointless, well other than as an experiment.
 
My question is this: Why on 2 stroke dirt bikes people run at 50:1, but with these motors everyone says 30:1 is the way to go? I'm not complaining, but I try to remain environmentally friendly, and using more oil = more fossil fuels...
 
My question is this: Why on 2 stroke dirt bikes people run at 50:1, but with these motors everyone says 30:1 is the way to go?...

Because they are using an oil that will work fine at 50:1. Not all oils are the same.
 
again people, its preferance.
there is no perfect mixture when it comes to a 2 stroke, but ideally 32:1 is what most people use in small engine powersports.
 
I've got some basic knowledge of 2-stroke engines and my understanding through research and empirical knowledge is:

Oil reduces octane rating: fuel is formulated to a specification that gives the required octane number - adding non volitiles reduces octane so run the highest octane pump fuel. The more oil you add to the fuel, the higher the octane rating you require to compensate for the octane reducing effect of the oil.

Octane rating: The octane rating is the measurement of the fuels resistance to detonation. The higher the octane rating the slower the rate of burn but the cylinder pressure is more even and consistant throughout the power stroke.
Higher octane fuels generate more low and midrange torque and allow more spark advance and greater cylinder pressure without detonation - perfect for making more power and torque at a lower rpm - exactly what we need with our Chinese engines.

Oil and Fuel Ratio and it's effect on power: The more oil added to fuel of a specific octane rating, the more the octane level is reduced. This requires a higher octane rating to compensate.
The more oil is added the greater the contained cylinder pressure becomes because oil quantity in a poorly manufactured 2-stroke engine (like our Chinese engine kits) is used to create a fluid seal (hydro dynamic seal) between the rings and the cylinder bore - THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT TO UNDERSTAND.
With these Chinese engines the best balance between oil and fuel quantity and fuel octane and power is 20:1
Running above 20:1 may make more theoretical power but it doesn't because the hydro dynamic seal is reduced and the greater the effect of blowby past the piston rings, contaminating the fresh cylinder charge underneath the piston.

Heat extraction: excess heat through various hot spots on the engine are kept under control through the process of oil absorbing heat and preventing excessive distrotion of the metalic parts.
Running abouve 20:1, eg, 25:1, 30:1, 40:1 will lead to piston skirt scuffing and evential engine piston siezure if used at wide open throttle for long periods of time even with normal rpm levels - i could go into the bennefits of castor oil, but that's another topic.

The needle roller bearings are very tollerant of low oil levels - what destroys needle roller bearings in 2-stroke engines is excessive rpm and flat spotting the needle rollers which then vibrate the daylights of the retainer cage and subsequently fall out of the cage, destroying the engine.
 
I've got some basic knowledge of 2-stroke engines and my understanding through research and empirical knowledge is:

Oil reduces octane rating: fuel is formulated to a specification that gives the required octane number - adding non volitiles reduces octane so run the highest octane pump fuel. The more oil you add to the fuel, the higher the octane rating you require to compensate for the octane reducing effect of the oil.

Octane rating: The octane rating is the measurement of the fuels resistance to detonation. The higher the octane rating the slower the rate of burn but the cylinder pressure is more even and consistant throughout the power stroke.
Higher octane fuels generate more low and midrange torque and allow more spark advance and greater cylinder pressure without detonation - perfect for making more power and torque at a lower rpm - exactly what we need with our Chinese engines.

Oil and Fuel Ratio and it's effect on power: The more oil added to fuel of a specific octane rating, the more the octane level is reduced. This requires a higher octane rating to compensate.
The more oil is added the greater the contained cylinder pressure becomes because oil quantity in a poorly manufactured 2-stroke engine (like our Chinese engine kits) is used to create a fluid seal (hydro dynamic seal) between the rings and the cylinder bore - THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT TO UNDERSTAND.
With these Chinese engines the best balance between oil and fuel quantity and fuel octane and power is 20:1
Running above 20:1 may make more theoretical power but it doesn't because the hydro dynamic seal is reduced and the greater the effect of blowby past the piston rings, contaminating the fresh cylinder charge underneath the piston.

Heat extraction: excess heat through various hot spots on the engine are kept under control through the process of oil absorbing heat and preventing excessive distrotion of the metalic parts.
Running abouve 20:1, eg, 25:1, 30:1, 40:1 will lead to piston skirt scuffing and evential engine piston siezure if used at wide open throttle for long periods of time even with normal rpm levels - i could go into the bennefits of castor oil, but that's another topic.

The needle roller bearings are very tollerant of low oil levels - what destroys needle roller bearings in 2-stroke engines is excessive rpm and flat spotting the needle rollers which then vibrate the daylights of the retainer cage and subsequently fall out of the cage, destroying the engine.
I agree that 20:1 gives better lubrication than say 32:1 or 50:1. I still run 32:1 as a compromise. I'll accept slightly reduced engine life for some of the benefits of running less oil including, less chance of plug fouling, less carbon buildup, and less oily mess exiting the exhaust. And as you said, I can use a lower octane fuel. I save a little money on oil and on fuel.

I usually cruise at 25mph and about 3/4 throttle. I often run full throttle for 20-30 minutes at a time but only when fighting a headwind so my speed is still only 20-25mph. Full throttle runs at speeds above 30mph with a tailwind are restricted to a mile or less. So I can get by with the 32:1 fuel/oil mixture.

You make good points and there is only one that I don't agree completely with. You should include the following caveat; unless your engine is experiencing pinging or detonation, the higher octane fuel will not improve your low end or mid range torque.
 
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AGAIN. It depends on the oil. HT engine can run all day on SABER at 50:1. Probably would do fine at 80:1. This probably wouldn't be the wisest thing with some other oils. Yet SABER at 20:1 would be just too much oil. It might run, but it would be pointless, well other than as an experiment.

I run saber at work for all of the handheld equip. at 70:1 never had an issue. any 2 stroke i've ever owned dirtbike and my nsr 50 I run 50:1 never had a lube issue ever I run maxima super m in my bikes
 
I run saber at work for all of the handheld equip. at 70:1 never had an issue. any 2 stroke i've ever owned dirtbike and my nsr 50 I run 50:1 never had a lube issue ever I run maxima super m in my bikes


well im not sure, i just wouldnt feel right running an engine designed for 20:1 on 80:1 regardless of what kind of oil,
 
Waaay back when I was a wee little lad, the oil to gas thing was described to me this way. I understood it quite easily.
Gas is thin and light weight. 2-stroke oil is thick and heavy. Fuel is a mixture of the two.
Now consider where the carburetor stores the fuel, ready to burn.
Underneath it, right!
In order to get the fuel into the engine the carburetor has to suck it straight up a very small tube.
The more oil you add to the gas, the heavier the fuel weighs.
The carburetor has to work that much harder to give the engine the fuel it needs. Too much oil and the carburetor will fail it's mission: to give the engine the exact amount of fuel needed. The engine will starve for fuel, get waaaay too much air and get killed. It will burn up from the inside out!
Now, sip some of this soda through the straw. It's easy to sip ain't it?
Now sip some of your chocolate milk shake through the straw . It's much harder right?
Now just think of that fuel mixture.
Imagine your body is an engine . Imagine your mouth is a carburetor, that straw is the fuel jet and the drink is the fuel.
Get it?
 
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