the geet system

Wondering if anybody was familiar with this and if anyone could explain the process in a nutshell. If your not familiar, it's a fuel saving device and plans are available for free at this link.

Download the PDF file!

http://www.geet.nl/

I think this design would probably work with a carb... not on a fuel injected engine. Would probably be best suited for a small generator.... liked the idea earlier about a backup generator with double the output.

A modern fuel injected engine has dozens of sensors that tell very sophisticated computers just how much fuel to squirt and when. The small droplets of atomized fuel wont burn until they hit the hot cylinder wall, evaporate and mix with incoming air. Any more and you waste fuel... any less and you run into lean conditions which could grenade your engine.

With a carb the air coming in sucks fuel into the airstream... there may be a small margin for gains. Could you get 160 mpg in a lifted truck... absolutely not. Diesel engines are actually very efficient by design due to the way fuel burns wile under direct injection, self ignition... only if tuned correctly.

Direct injection Atkinson cycle engines are the wave of the future... google it.
 
The way I see the Geet technology working is that it uses the heat from the exhaust to generate hydrogen and use that hydrogen to assist the standard fuel and its delivery system. Not replace it. Just vaporizing your primary fuel source in not what it does. That's an uneducated opinion and hope someone with better knowledge will put more illumination on this subject. Am I wrong?
-Mike
 
Naudin a French site offers a ton of knowledge freely on all aspects of alternative fuels.
http://bingofuel.online.fr/bingofuel/index.htm

most of those pictures were of carburated small generators... the tractors had metal boxes attached with the word "spad" on the side in shabby welds. Not very convincing for a claim of 160+ mpg.

The diagram was basically the same one as on the first post. Since I dont speak French i cant read the article.

here try this one... all the major manufacturers are investing very heavily in this technology. It is essential to develop something realistic/practical like this to reach future CAFE standards.

http://www.animatedengines.com/atkinson.shtml
 
Vtack that is a French site that was kind enough to post in English as well .
Did you bother to look .
The Spad involved is not me.
The technology reforms hydrogen and carbon with waste heat.
 
Vtack that is a French site that was kind enough to post in English as well .
Did you bother to look .
The Spad involved is not me.
The technology reforms hydrogen and carbon with waste heat.

ok I will look a little closer...
 
so this system works in conjunction with the injectors???? or is this a standalone system???
 
Normally aspirated IC engines vaporize fuel in three primary ways; 1) Fuel input nozzle design to "atomize" (break up into tiny droplets) the liquid fuel; 2) turbulent flow in the intake path to effectively lengthen that path for any given fuel droplet, thus increasing the time available for vaporization; 3) heat of the intake stream, which speeds vaporization. The more complete the vaporization process is, the more complete combustion will be. While residual heat in the piston and cylinder walls DOES act to increase vaporization of any droplet impigning upon them, primary vaporization is essentially complete before the fuel/air charge enters the cylinder. At ignition, as the flame front propagates across the fuel/air charge, it furthers vaporizes remaining droplets and ignites those vapors. Most of the energy expended in that vaporization process is "lost" in terms of useful mechanical work produced.

Any carburetor or fuel injector which increase the coefficient of vaporization will increase the available chemical energy during the combustion cycle, which increase the effective mechanical output of the engine per unit of fuel used. There are various ways to achieve that - one of the earliest demonstrated was using "waste" exhaust heat to vaporize the incoming fuel charge. As I'm sure is clear to anyone, vaporizing gasoline, mixing that vapor with air, and applying either a spark or heat of compression to ignite that mix has potential problems. After all, a gasoline pipe bomb is basically what I've just described. The problem with vaporized intake fuel is that in order to introduce a sufficient charge of fully vaporized fuel/air mix to the cylinder one must have a reservoir of baporized fuel - which is potentially explosive and difficult to contain adequately.

HHO works by doing part of that task chemically; besides being itself a powerfully flammable gas, the free hydrogen in the intake stream does a couple of things 1) it acts to lower the surface tension of the atomized fuel droplets in at least two ways, and it chemically hydrogenates the longer chain carbon molecules in the fuel mix, increasing their combustibility by lowering their flashpoint and drastically decreasing surface tension of the droplet. HHO gas is not itself all that significant a portion of the fuel in the fuel/air intake stream, then; it is instead an additive which causes a given fuel charge to burn more completely and thus more efficiently. More efficient combustion means greater fuel economy.

It really is just that simple (in the broad strokes), and a properly designed HHO "generator" coupled effectively to the intake system of an IC engine will increase its efficiency, lower its unburned/incompletely burned fuel vapor load in the exhaust stream, and lower the fraction of partially combusted fuel entering the crankcase on each piston cycle.
 
........HHO works by doing part of that task chemically; besides being itself a powerfully flammable gas, the free hydrogen in the intake stream does a couple of things 1) it acts to lower the surface tension of the atomized fuel droplets in at least two ways, and it chemically hydrogenates the longer chain carbon molecules in the fuel mix, increasing their combustibility by lowering their flashpoint and drastically decreasing surface tension of the droplet. HHO gas is not itself all that significant a portion of the fuel in the fuel/air intake stream, then; it is instead an additive which causes a given fuel charge to burn more completely and thus more efficiently. More efficient combustion means greater fuel economy.

It really is just that simple (in the broad strokes), and a properly designed HHO "generator" coupled effectively to the intake system of an IC engine will increase its efficiency, lower its unburned/incompletely burned fuel vapor load in the exhaust stream, and lower the fraction of partially combusted fuel entering the crankcase on each piston cycle.

Simon - I am shocked that you would be posting things like that. While your above paragraphs seems scientifically sound and reasonable, so does this explanation of magnetic fuel savers:

Fuel mainly consists of hydrocarbons. Groupings of hydrocarbons, when flowing through a magnetic field, change their orientations of magnetization in a direction opposite to that of the magnetic field. The molecules of hydrocarbon change their configuration. At the same time intermolecular force is considerably reduced or depressed. These mechanisms are believed to help to disperse oil particles and to become finely divided. In addition, hydrogen ions in fuel and oxygen ions in air or steam are magnetized to form magnetic domains which are believed to assist in atomizing fuel into finer particles.

Generally a liquid or gas fuel used for an internal combustion engine is composed of a set of molecules. Each molecule includes a number of atoms, which is composed of a nucleus and electrons orbiting around their nucleus. The molecules have magnetic moments in themselves, and the rotating electrons cause magnetic phenomena. Thus, positive (+) and negative (-) electric charges exists in the fuel's molecules. For this reason, the fuel particles of the negative and positive electric charges are not split into more minute particles. Accordingly, the fuels are not actively interlocked with oxygen during combustion, thereby causing incomplete combustion. To improve the above, the fuels have been required to be decomposed and ionized. The ionization of the fuel particles is accomplished by the supply of magnetic force from a magnet.

The resultant conditioned fuel / air mixture magnetized burns more completely, producing higher engine output, better fuel economy, more power and most importantly reduces the amount of hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust. Another benefits if these devices is that magnetically charged fuel molecules with opposite polarities dissolve carbon build-up in carburetor jets, fuel injectors, and combustion chambers help to clean up the engine and maintain the clean condition.




HHO, magnets, acetone are all bunk. There is no "big oil" conspiracy keeping this technology away from us. Just a bunch of P.T. Barnums making an easy buck.
 
geet

A buddy of mine in college fabbed up a gizmo for his Ford Galaxie that consisted of an aluminum manifold machined in two halves with a channel passing around the inside and fins on the outside. This was bolted to the block and the fuel pump hooked into one side, the other exited into the intake.

When it got hot, it vaporized the fuel and seemed to increase mileage by about 20%. He sent the specs to Ford and they replied that it would never work.
 
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